#901046 - 07/23/14 01:17 AM
Silver Horde gets HACKED!
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The Tide changed
Registered: 08/31/00
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Loc: Everett
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So, Im at a Sportmans Warehouse, persuing the aisle for things I know I dont need, and I see a new lure I just had to have only to take a picture of! If only... because it's a total knockoff of one of Silver Hordes tried and true best lures for Coho and Chinook: The Coho Killer.  WTF? Does this company have no shame? They might have well used one of those cloning machines from Star trek, I mean this thing is exactly like the Silver Horde lure except for a slightly different name. Arent there laws against this? I'm throwing mine away after taking this picture, and I put a permanent VOODOO HEX on any and all of these lures on principle alone, because it's pretty low to knock off and copy another mans product like this. Kelly M. and Silver Horde have supported EVERY. SINGLE. DERBY. Salmon for Soldiers! and countless other local and regional programs with their lure sales. Hey Sportmans folks. LAME!
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#901047 - 07/23/14 01:27 AM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: Sky-Guy]
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Spawner
Registered: 03/02/08
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Private label agreement?
Edited by SRoffe (07/23/14 01:27 AM)
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#901048 - 07/23/14 01:31 AM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: Sky-Guy]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 04/03/04
Posts: 203
Loc: Woodinville, WA
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Hey Riley,
I saw this also. Totally bull from a big dog Utah corporation.
Made in the USA from 1963 gets the screws from Sportmans Warehouse.
Kelly and Silver Horde gives everything to the PSA clubs and all the derbies for years. Now they maybe forced to lay off USA workers as a huge ripoff is upon them.
It is just ethics and business morals ......I hope we can support the Pacific Northwest factories...
Spud FISTHTALE 2
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#901049 - 07/23/14 01:33 AM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: SPUD]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 04/03/04
Posts: 203
Loc: Woodinville, WA
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NO , there is not a Private Label issue.
Silver Horde got whacked!!!!
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#901050 - 07/23/14 01:38 AM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: SPUD]
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Bass TURDS! Dirty bass TURDS!
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#901055 - 07/23/14 06:39 AM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: MPM]
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Registered: 02/02/04
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Loc: N of Seattle
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They will never see a dime of my money again. How these people sleep at night is beyond me. The names are a slap in the face. Silver Hordes Coho killer and King Fisher spoon are Sportsman's Coho fisher and King Killer. The paint patterns are even exact rip offs. Hope to see them out of business again Real Soon. Just say no and never again to Sportsman's' POS scum of the earth.
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#901057 - 07/23/14 10:55 AM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: Achewter]
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Piper
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Is there any chance that silver horde is packaging and selling them under sportsmans name?
It would be a dick move if not. Especially since sportsmans is main retailer of silver horde...
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#901060 - 07/23/14 11:30 AM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12619
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Mebbe?
If so, I take it back.
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#901061 - 07/23/14 11:31 AM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 04/06/11
Posts: 219
Loc: S River central
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It's what's happening in the retail world..sell said product..If sells well..repackage and sell under there own label. .classic trader joes! A friend also just saw his version of a salt tied fly known thru out the PNW as his creation sold under a local emporium store under their label..lame! No patent no protection. .
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#901068 - 07/23/14 12:10 PM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: bhudda]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 04/03/04
Posts: 203
Loc: Woodinville, WA
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I can assure you 1000% Silver Horde just got wind of the this rip-off.
They are steaming mad and discusted with the lack of morality of it all.
Silver Horde spends months of time and money testing products to release to the recreational angler. Made here in the PNW since the 60's. Then they give away thousands of dollars to support the PSA anglers and all the derbies.
A Utah company then packs up their samples and sends them overseas to save a buck.
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#901069 - 07/23/14 12:17 PM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: SPUD]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 08/02/12
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Sounds like the same tactics of another schitty manufacturer who's name rhymes with Brad's....Oops, I mean Rads....
Edited by Yak-Fresh (07/23/14 12:17 PM)
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#901071 - 07/23/14 12:49 PM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: Paul Smenis]
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King of the Beach
Registered: 12/11/02
Posts: 5213
Loc: Carkeek Park
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Didn't someone also produce a really poor knock off Silver Horde's highly successful Ace Hi Fly?
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#901072 - 07/23/14 12:49 PM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
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#901077 - 07/23/14 01:36 PM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: STRIKE ZONE]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/22/09
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Being retired and a third generation Northwesterner (grandfather had the gall to be born in Astoria) I have had gear handed down to me as well as having collected stuff at various yard sales to add to a limited and haphazard collection of fishing tackle.
With that background I will offer that most current tackle is a permutation of earlier versions. If it works better it earns a place; if not, it goes away with no more than a whimper.
But this is a pretty egregious effort to duplicate existing successful design(s)/color(s) and name(s) and by doing so steps on a well established local small business which deserves our support.
There are plenty of other retail outlets selling Silver Horde and, in fact, virtually everything else Sportsman's Warehouse sells. Looks like it is time for me to make another stop at SH in Lynnwood.
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#901082 - 07/23/14 02:20 PM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: Larry B]
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27840
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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The only thing that surprises me about this is that someone would be surprised by it.
Every single successful lure gets ripped off eventually. There are entire companies devoted to producing and selling knockoffs.
Brad's and Danielson come to mind immediately, and Luhr Jensen, too, but there are plenty more.
The only way to "trademark" your stuff is to get your branding so good that no one will buy the knockoffs...very, very few lures ever can get patented, and all will be ripped off by someone if they are any good.
Fish on...
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#901089 - 07/23/14 03:11 PM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: Todd]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 04/03/04
Posts: 203
Loc: Woodinville, WA
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Todd,
Unfortunately you are right on.
It is just a sad case for such a great Northwest company. Could Silver Horde lay off some workers and move production out of the USA. No doubt they could......However 1000% they will not !
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#901095 - 07/23/14 03:36 PM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: SPUD]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 07/11/04
Posts: 3091
Loc: Bothell, Wa
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What Todd said!
When we were kids the only good spinners were Mepps as they held the patent on the clevis/blade design. That's why Rooster Tails and whatnot didn't use a clevis.
Then the patent expired around the late 70's (??) which is right about the time Blue Fox took that design and improved on it.
rvrfshr then improved on that.
Carry on...
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#901104 - 07/23/14 04:27 PM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: BroodBuster]
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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There is a difference between different designs, or improvements/changes to existing ideas...that's where a lot of the innovation comes from...and just straight up ripping off something that's already there, and successful. Orkie Drifter, anyone? A bit reminiscent of the Okie Drifter, eh? You can always tell the serious ripoffs by the name...they usually rip that off, too, and make a name that's similar to the original one. The intent is that you might not know the difference between the original and the ripoff when they have a similar name, too. The Luhr Jensen "Lucky Knight"...it may or may not bear a resemblance to a different lure that may or may not have "Nite" in the name: Just to be fair to Luhr Jensen, in addition to their massive inventory of totally ripped off lures, they, too, get their stuff ripped off by other companies. There are at least a dozen knockoffs of the Kwikfish out there...but I'd say it's a pretty fair bet that a Kwikfish is just a knockoff of the original Flatfish. Brad's Wiggler? Really? Looks an awful lot like a Storm's Wiggle Wart to me...but Storm probably ripped someone else off to make theirs, too  The Kastmaster is a venerable casting lure...how about the "Cast Champ", again from Luhr Jensen? The J-Plug looks a lot like a Tomic, The Shyster is exactly the same as a Rooster Tail...about five companies have made a lure exactly like a Rapala. These are only the "mainstream" ripoff companies...there are literally dozens of off brands that you can only buy at KMart or Wal-Mart that are all ripoffs of everything, too. The lure that started this thread...the knockoff of the Coho Killer...there are a couple other spoons out there right now that are exactly like that, too...that's not the only one. The best way to protest this kind of stuff is to not buy the direct ripoffs! Fish on... Todd
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#901107 - 07/23/14 04:31 PM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: Todd]
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King of the Beach
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Whoever decided on the colors for those Orkie Drifters must have been blind or had never seen the real thing.
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#901109 - 07/23/14 04:41 PM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: stonefish]
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Dick Nipples
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Whoever decided on the colors for those Orkie Drifters must have been blind or had never seen the real thing. LOL  Did you see the new knockoff of Leland's beach popper, too? Fish on... Todd
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#901115 - 07/23/14 05:15 PM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: Todd]
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King of the Beach
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Posts: 5213
Loc: Carkeek Park
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Whoever decided on the colors for those Orkie Drifters must have been blind or had never seen the real thing. LOL  Did you see the new knockoff of Leland's beach popper, too? Fish on... Todd Unfortunately........yes I did.
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#901151 - 07/23/14 08:16 PM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: Todd]
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Hippie
Registered: 01/31/02
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The Shyster is exactly the same as a Rooster Tail...
Lol. Perfect.
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#901201 - 07/23/14 11:17 PM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: Sebastes]
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Registered: 02/02/04
Posts: 2237
Loc: N of Seattle
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Silver Horde owns those original dies for the Kohoe killers but uses a new die for production.
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#901208 - 07/23/14 11:53 PM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: Achewter]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 04/03/04
Posts: 203
Loc: Woodinville, WA
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You are correct...many moons ago, Silver Horde bought the tools and started manufacturing the lures. Then they upgraded to tools to the current production die. Note the word "bought" also known as "purchased".
Thanks for all your support on this. Kelly can't say too much right now but really loves the support of the fishing community.......
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#901216 - 07/24/14 01:10 AM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: Moravec]
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Piper
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just look at the quality of that POS in the Sportsman's Warehouse package... that IS NOT SILVER HORDE QUALITY!!! I don't know what you're talking about... that is a vision hook if I ever saw one  Seriously, it was a Dick move by sportsmen's...
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#901286 - 07/24/14 10:22 PM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: TanTastic84]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 04/03/04
Posts: 203
Loc: Woodinville, WA
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I talked to a couple of Silver Horde employees today. They are so appreciative of the reaction of the anglers to keep them employed. They asked me to say THANK YOU for your support....
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#901300 - 07/25/14 09:13 AM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: SPUD]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 485
Loc: pierce county, WA
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add me to the group of anglers that will not spend a penny at SW, and I'll talk to others about it. SW was marginal in my book to begin with for other reasons, this makes it real easy to spend my money elsewhere.
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#901379 - 07/26/14 02:42 PM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
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Returning Adult
Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 295
Loc: Renton, WA
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........ Luhr Jensen was the king of rip offs,the list there was endless...... Not saying LJ didn't copy lures, but they bought out a whole bunch of companies (ie. Maxwell, Eddie Pope, Glen Evans, Abe & Al, Tony Accetta, etc.) and then produced them with the LJ label.
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#901451 - 07/27/14 01:00 AM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
[Re: bhudda]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/04/06
Posts: 4025
Loc: Kent, WA
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Patents are only good for 17years, I believe, and copywrites are good forever. So if it is not copywrited, too bad. They Zenith Electronics used to protect themselves was they copywrite the Schematics for their circuits. I think the paint patterns for their (SH's) lures could be copywrited.
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#902532 - 08/10/14 11:57 AM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
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Carcass
Registered: 08/28/08
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For sure, this sucks, but I find myself wondering why this particular instance of big business lying, cheating, and stealing to increase profits is so much more despicable than what they do every day, in every vertical.
For my part, I'll still buy the original. I make lots of questionable (more expensive) purchasing decisions with the sole intent of supporting small to medium-sized businesses. The ability to start (and maintain) one's own enterprise was what once made this the Land of Opportunity, and besides bringing manufacturing home, it's the only hope for the future of our middle class. VERY TRUE.... Brad's is the worst offender 
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#902533 - 08/10/14 11:57 AM
Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED!
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+1
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