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#901107 - 07/23/14 04:31 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: Todd]
stonefish Offline
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Whoever decided on the colors for those Orkie Drifters must have been blind or had never seen the real thing.
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#901109 - 07/23/14 04:41 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: stonefish]
Todd Offline
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Originally Posted By: stonefish
Whoever decided on the colors for those Orkie Drifters must have been blind or had never seen the real thing.


LOL smile

Did you see the new knockoff of Leland's beach popper, too?

Fish on...

Todd
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#901115 - 07/23/14 05:15 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: Todd]
stonefish Offline
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Originally Posted By: Todd
Originally Posted By: stonefish
Whoever decided on the colors for those Orkie Drifters must have been blind or had never seen the real thing.


LOL smile

Did you see the new knockoff of Leland's beach popper, too?

Fish on...

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Unfortunately........yes I did.
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#901151 - 07/23/14 08:16 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: Todd]
AP a.k.a. Kaiser D Offline
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Registered: 01/31/02
Posts: 4533
Loc: B'ham
Originally Posted By: Todd
The Shyster is exactly the same as a Rooster Tail...



Lol. Perfect.

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#901157 - 07/23/14 08:41 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D]
PD-5 Offline
Parr

Registered: 02/24/12
Posts: 73
Douchebag move for sure. Not buying is the only way to stop them, If they are anything like the chinese coyotes they will disintegrate the first time you use them.Todd is right been going on since there was tackle to buy, SH didnt invent them just perfected some killer paint schemes. Otto's made em in the 50's & 60's, even a heavy casting model(gold one in pic) Martin and luhr Jensen as cohoe killers and coho kings and metric's respectively after that . Luhr Jensen was the king of rip offs,the list there was endless.



washington spoon and bait catalog from 1960



Edited by PD-5 (07/23/14 08:44 PM)

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#901158 - 07/23/14 08:43 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D]
Sebastes Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 10/31/02
Posts: 1341
Loc: Monroe,WA.
Todd is right about patents, it is extremely difficult to get one on a fishing lure if not impossible.

Several years ago I was in Islamorada, Florida and went to see a tackle shop that had the hot new leadhead jig.

When I saw the display, the leadhead was a knock-off of a one ounce Sebastes jig that they had dressed with bucktail. Obviously they had leadheads that they had a mold made from an original Sebastes jig.

Since I was the designer of the entire line of Sebastes jigs from 1/4 to 32 ounces and had hand carved the prototypes, there was no question in my mind about a rip-off. A small company like Sebastes couldn't afford litigation so it wasn't worth pursuing.

Actually the original jigheads we sold were from standard molds of traditional leadheads we purchased before I designed the custom leadheads.

I wish I still had those molds, but I sold my half of the business to my partner Fred Vander Werrf and he eventually sold the company to another party who ran it for a few years before he passed away.

Anyway, ifyou knowit is a rip-off,refrain from buying it and tell your buddies.

Thanks Sky-Guy.

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#901201 - 07/23/14 11:17 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: Sebastes]
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Registered: 02/02/04
Posts: 2276
Loc: N of Seattle
Silver Horde owns those original dies for the Kohoe killers but uses a new die for production.
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#901208 - 07/23/14 11:53 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: Achewter]
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Registered: 04/03/04
Posts: 202
Loc: Woodinville, WA
You are correct...many moons ago, Silver Horde bought the tools and started manufacturing the lures. Then they upgraded to tools to the current production die. Note the word "bought" also known as
"purchased".

Thanks for all your support on this. Kelly can't say too much right now
but really loves the support of the fishing community.......

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#901213 - 07/24/14 12:28 AM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: Todd]
Moravec Offline


Registered: 03/27/08
Posts: 1045
Loc: Snoqualmie WA/Cordova AK
There is zero chance that Silver Horde allowed SW to repackage their products... just look at the quality of that POS in the Sportsman's Warehouse package... that IS NOT SILVER HORDE QUALITY!!!
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#901216 - 07/24/14 01:10 AM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: Moravec]
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Originally Posted By: Moravec
just look at the quality of that POS in the Sportsman's Warehouse package... that IS NOT SILVER HORDE QUALITY!!!



I don't know what you're talking about... that is a vision hook if I ever saw one wink



Seriously, it was a Dick move by sportsmen's...

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#901237 - 07/24/14 02:25 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: ]
TanTastic84 Offline
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Registered: 10/21/11
Posts: 182
Loc: Seattle, WA
The Morrisons have been so nice to me over the last few years. I have gone into their shop more times than I can count and they refer to me by name and talk to me about things all the time. Marilyn is a sweetheart and Kelly is awesome to talk to about local fishing tips and always has suggestions for me. I cant say enough good words about the family and their products.

I have, and will never purchase or support Sportsman's warehouse. I'm a Silver Horde supporter all the way!

I was in the shop yesterday when Kelly was talking to a few people about this. I was really bummed out to hear about whats going on. Their products have been under attack lately. With another local lure manufacturer (who shall remain nameless) and now SW. It's a shame really.

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#901286 - 07/24/14 10:22 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: TanTastic84]
SPUD Offline
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Registered: 04/03/04
Posts: 202
Loc: Woodinville, WA
I talked to a couple of Silver Horde employees today. They are so appreciative of the reaction of the anglers to keep them employed.
They asked me to say THANK YOU for your support....

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#901300 - 07/25/14 09:13 AM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: SPUD]
jason m Offline
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Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 494
Loc: pierce county, WA
add me to the group of anglers that will not spend a penny at SW, and I'll talk to others about it. SW was marginal in my book to begin with for other reasons, this makes it real easy to spend my money elsewhere.

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#901379 - 07/26/14 02:42 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: PD-5]
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Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 341
Loc: Renton, WA
Originally Posted By: PD-5
........ Luhr Jensen was the king of rip offs,the list there was endless......


Not saying LJ didn't copy lures, but they bought out a whole bunch of companies (ie. Maxwell, Eddie Pope, Glen Evans, Abe & Al, Tony Accetta, etc.) and then produced them with the LJ label.
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#901451 - 07/27/14 01:00 AM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: bhudda]
Phoenix77 Offline
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Registered: 10/04/06
Posts: 4047
Loc: Kent, WA
Patents are only good for 17years, I believe, and copywrites are good forever. So if it is not copywrited, too bad. They Zenith Electronics used to protect themselves was they copywrite the Schematics for their circuits. I think the paint patterns for their (SH's) lures could be copywrited.
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#901509 - 07/27/14 06:55 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: Phoenix77]
MPM Offline
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Registered: 12/09/08
Posts: 766
Loc: Seattle, WA
Copyright does not last forever, but does last for a very long time (currently life of the author + 70 years in most cases). Trademarks can last forever, in theory. However, there are limitations on what can be protected by copyrights and trademark rights that would make it difficult to protect lure designs and paint patterns in most case (but maybe not all cases).

Maybe I should do an IP Law for Tackle Companies presentation...probably get some nice swag out of it. wink

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#901536 - 07/27/14 09:41 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: MPM]
RogueFanatic Offline
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Registered: 07/31/08
Posts: 348
Loc: Kitsap Co.
As MPM mentioned earlier, trade dress covers "look and feel" but is extended often to places of business (the use of the color green and lay-out of a Starbucks for example) rather than products though it is possible to do so. Design patents can extend some protection where there is a combination of utility and design (boat hulls and the treads of shoes are common examples). Otherwise unattainable trademarks can extend to colors, shapes and designs but only if they have attained secondary meaning through continued use. This concludes your intellectual property primer.

The simple truth of the matter is that enforcing intellectual property is iffy in result except the guarantee of legal fees. I will say I did manage to score an HDS-7 out of a client once though...


Edited by RogueFanatic (07/27/14 09:42 PM)

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#902492 - 08/09/14 12:23 AM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: RogueFanatic]
PD-5 Offline
Parr

Registered: 02/24/12
Posts: 73

Looks like its not just Sportsmans Warehouse. I would guess that now our friends overseas have made the dies they will be everywhere.

http://www.overstockbait.com/O-BAIT-35-Coho-Killer-Flutter-Spoon-UV-and-Glow-p/uvg_ck.htm

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#902509 - 08/09/14 08:18 PM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: PD-5]
steelhead_stalkers Offline
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Registered: 10/27/09
Posts: 383
This happens all of the time! With almost every lure manufacturer. There are so many examples of this its crazy.
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#902532 - 08/10/14 11:57 AM Re: Silver Horde gets HACKED! [Re: FleaFlickr02]
big moby Offline
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Registered: 08/28/08
Posts: 2188
Loc: varies
Originally Posted By: FleaFlickr02
For sure, this sucks, but I find myself wondering why this particular instance of big business lying, cheating, and stealing to increase profits is so much more despicable than what they do every day, in every vertical.

For my part, I'll still buy the original. I make lots of questionable (more expensive) purchasing decisions with the sole intent of supporting small to medium-sized businesses. The ability to start (and maintain) one's own enterprise was what once made this the Land of Opportunity, and besides bringing manufacturing home, it's the only hope for the future of our middle class.


VERY TRUE....

Brad's is the worst offender 2cents
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