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#909932 - 10/17/14 03:41 PM Sky Chums
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Never targeted them before, and looking for a little advice.

I have a couple close relatives visiting from out of state (one in early November, one over Thanksgiving) who haven't done much salmon fishing before. They probably don't have time for more than half a day of fishing, but I think they'd have a blast hooking up with chums.

I know runs have been down on the Sky, but any advice on good gravel bars to target them? I have a couple spots in mind, but would appreciate some advice here (or in a PM).

Best lures? I was planning on throwing spoons for some active fishing, but also taking spinning rods set up with bobber/jig/shrimp. Color?

Thanks in advance.

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#909941 - 10/17/14 04:31 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: ]
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Agree on the float and jig set-up tipped with a piece of prawn.
Besides purple, cerise or black jigs work well.
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#909946 - 10/17/14 05:09 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: stonefish]
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The river is closed for chums and the run will be very small.

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#909953 - 10/17/14 05:39 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: ondarvr]
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Sad state of affairs. Used to be a good fishery and provide lots of nutrients for future generations.
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#909963 - 10/17/14 05:52 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: wntrrn]
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Its happening everywhere. No clue why though. ........... .

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#909967 - 10/17/14 06:12 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: ondarvr]
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Originally Posted By: ondarvr
The river is closed for chums and the run will be very small.


But open for coho.
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#910335 - 10/20/14 07:10 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: No More Ice Fishin]
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Are you sure it's closed this year? I just looked at the regs, and see nothing about closed to Chums?

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#910353 - 10/20/14 08:17 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: MSA]
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Originally Posted By: MSA
Are you sure it's closed this year? I just looked at the regs, and see nothing about closed to Chums?


Yes
From the regs

SALMON Sept. 1-Dec. 31 Min. size 12". Daily limit 3 COHO only.

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#910354 - 10/20/14 08:31 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: ondarvr]
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As per regs it is closed unless specifically mentioned in the regs that it is open, another little gem brought to us by our illustrious Dept!

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#910355 - 10/20/14 08:33 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: ondarvr]
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Hmmm, I'll have to double check on that? Usually the regs will spell out "closed to Chums" I've seen Chums harvested in the Snohomish this year.

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#910361 - 10/20/14 09:09 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: MSA]
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Originally Posted By: MSA
Hmmm, I'll have to double check on that? Usually the regs will spell out "closed to Chums" I've seen Chums harvested in the Snohomish this year.


This doesn't surprise me, there are many jerks that keep fish no matter what the regs say.

Yes it is closed, I have been pushing for the closure for the last several years, I discuss it with the group that manages the run both before and after the NOF meetings.

Or, it's open for chums and there is no limit because it doesn't say what the limit is. Your choice.

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#910367 - 10/20/14 09:46 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: ondarvr]
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I hope this doesn't cause this thread to go off the rails, but here goes...

So, I've never seen anything in the regs that would prohibit an angler from fishing for a particular species, as long as the angler doesn't retain that species.

In other words, if the Sky is closed to chum retention, that doesn't necessarily mean it's closed to fishing for chum, just closed to harvesting chum. I've heard people talk about "targeting" a species as some sort of no-no, but I haven't seen anything in the regs about that.

Am I off base as far as the regs go?

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#910370 - 10/20/14 10:01 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: MPM]
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Registered: 03/08/99
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Yes you are...this is the part that they use to prohibit fishing for a salmon when the season is closed for them:

****************

For all Game Fish and salmon, the Special
Rules show all of the fishing opportunities
for each freshwater area listed.

****************

It's on page 16 of the regulations.

If it doesn't list a salmon species as being "open", then it is closed...and there are no fishing opportunities for those species. The opportunity to purposely catch and release isn't there unless it is specifically listed.

Not only do those that are incidentally caught...like chums on the Snohomish system this year...have to be released, you can't intentionally fish for them, either.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. Cue the same crowd as the flossers that will do it anyway because it can't be "proven" that you are fishing for chums...it doesn't really matter, that doesn't make it legal.
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#910376 - 10/20/14 10:20 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: Todd]
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Maybe the regs should just say closed for chum and leave the ambiguity behind?
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#910377 - 10/20/14 10:21 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: dwatkins]
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It's easier to say in the General Rules that if it's not specifically listed as open, then it's closed...otherwise they'd have to list every piece of water and every species of fish and say if it's open or closed for them.

Fish on...

Todd
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#910379 - 10/20/14 10:22 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: Todd]
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I don't know, Todd, that's pretty vague language if they want to prohibit something. I mean, it makes sense as far as dates go, but the only reference to species in the special rules is in relation to a "limit." I'd say rule of leniency requires a strict interpretation against that.

Are you aware of any official agency interpretations of that language?

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#910382 - 10/20/14 10:34 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: dwatkins]
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Loc: Spokane WA
Originally Posted By: dwatkins
Maybe the regs should just say closed for chum and leave the ambiguity behind?


Not long ago they did, wording has changed though.

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#910383 - 10/20/14 10:35 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: ondarvr]
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Registered: 12/11/10
Posts: 51
If legal to target....they would list it as "catch and release only"

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#910384 - 10/20/14 10:36 PM Re: Sky Chums [Re: ondarvr]
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Registered: 08/15/14
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Originally Posted By: ondarvr
Originally Posted By: dwatkins
Maybe the regs should just say closed for chum and leave the ambiguity behind?


Not long ago they did, wording has changed though.


okay thanks ondarvr. I haven't lived/fished in Washington in over 10 years and I didn't realize the regs read differently.
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#910395 - 10/21/14 12:06 AM Re: Sky Chums [Re: dwatkins]
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I guess what I'm saying is this: The only fishing opportunity for salmon is listed in the special rules. The special rules say salmon is open Sept 1 through Dec 1. It also says the daily limit is 3 Coho only. That can easily be interpreted as saying that "salmon" is open for fishing that entire time, but you can only retain 3 coho per day, even with the general language saying the only opportunity is listed in the special rules.

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