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#911630 - 10/30/14 04:53 PM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: 5 * General Evo]
RB3 Offline
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What fuels this is residential burglaries. Break into a house, steal guns, commit crimes with said guns. Rinse and repeat.

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#911632 - 10/30/14 04:56 PM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: 5 * General Evo]
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Todd,
No where in the 18 pages of this law does it separate shotguns from any other firearm so not only can I not lend you my shotgun I couldn't teach you how to use it at a gun range as safety training is also not exempted.

I'll admit that the spoon analogy was pretty bad. So I'll try again wink. On the way back from hunting we stopped by the Curlew bar for a beer and some food. So if all four the the rifles that were left in the truck (remember it's illegal to bring a firearm into a bar) were stolen and then used in a crime you believe I should be held accountable?

"Just as I have no problem throwing people in jail who do not secure their firearms and let someone steal/take/"borrow" them and a crime is committed, or a horrible accident happens,"

And all the dumbass comments were re written quotes from state sheriff's comments wink
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#911633 - 10/30/14 05:05 PM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Steelspanker
A gun owner here who voted yes on 594.

The argument against voting for a law that isn't 100% enforceable or saying that criminals won't follow the law anyway so don't vote for it, is silly.

Most of us don't run red lights but some do...so should we remove the law against running red lights? Of course not.


A law enforcement officer can state under oath that he/she witnessed you running a red light. Or a camera witnessed it. A law enforcement officer cannot under oath state that a particular firearm was purchased in the state of Wa.

I mean under what situation could a DA even bring charges? We saw them make a sale/transfer in the PD parking lot?? "Are you telling me your neighbor and you drove to Idaho to make this transaction." "yes. :)"
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#911635 - 10/30/14 05:08 PM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: BroodBuster]
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Greg, locking them in your car is "securing them"...leaving a handgun on your dresser where you six and nine year old find it is not.

Fish on...

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#911638 - 10/30/14 05:38 PM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: ]
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That'll never happen. Our courts and constitution value the privacy of the home and vehicles of citizens with the highest regard.

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#911641 - 10/30/14 05:54 PM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: ]
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how many crimes are committed by people going to a gun show and getting a firearm there? im not saying its none, and that its not an issue, but wouldnt you rather have an undercover cop in Belltown or down an alley on Jackson vs standing in a gun show?

far more guns used in crimes are bought off the street than at shows...

thats just my opinion tho..
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#911646 - 10/30/14 06:16 PM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: 5 * General Evo]
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FUK.GOV IN DA ASS! I WILL NOT COMPLY....PERIOD. beer
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#911649 - 10/30/14 06:40 PM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: Sol Duc]
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FUK.GOV IN DA ASS! I WILL NOT COMPLY....PERIOD.

That's what these guys said:

http://www.komonews.com/news/crime/30-pistols-stolen-from-Lakewood-gun-store-280979482.html


Edited by Keta (10/30/14 06:43 PM)
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#911680 - 10/31/14 02:26 AM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: Keta]
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Quantico is a joke, they are the equivalent of what Bullseye was when the AR(s) got stolen and Malvo and company did their sh!t... i went in there 1 time, and i will never return...

this will never happen, a cop couldnt loan his brother who is say also a cop his gun for training, you couldnt rent a gun before you shot it like some shops provide, ect...

its unenforceable, stupid, and anyone that says yes should go talk to DanS....
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#911681 - 10/31/14 02:31 AM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: 5 * General Evo]
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Ballsy calling that business a joke. It's a veteran owned business that supplies lots of gear to leo and military personnel.

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#911683 - 10/31/14 02:49 AM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: RB3]
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so did/does Bullseye...
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#911685 - 10/31/14 03:20 AM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: Keta]
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Originally Posted By: Keta

FUK.GOV IN DA ASS! I WILL NOT COMPLY....PERIOD.

That's what these guys said:

http://www.komonews.com/news/crime/30-pistols-stolen-from-Lakewood-gun-store-280979482.html

Feds did the same thing and people died.
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#911686 - 10/31/14 05:23 AM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: Sol Duc]
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fuk guns all around.
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#911687 - 10/31/14 05:54 AM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: dwatkins]
ReefSkunk
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Vote Yes on I-wrk to keep guns out of the hands of the chronically unemployed.

No exemption for Nate.

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#911696 - 10/31/14 12:38 PM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: Todd]
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Originally Posted By: Todd
Originally Posted By: Rev. blackmouth
... (possessing a cpl should count as a background check) for purchases of firearms.


Seems like a no brainer to me right there.

Just as I have no problem throwing people in jail who do not secure their firearms and let someone steal /take/"borrow" them and a crime is committed, or a horrible accident happens, I have no problem holding those who lend out or sell their guns to someone who does not have a CPL accountable, too.



Fish on...

Todd



Fixed it..... being pissed at someone who's gun was stolen and the stealer commits a crime is ridiculous.... Hell with humans armed gaurding the nations capitol someone made it in. grin
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#911698 - 10/31/14 01:11 PM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: Timber]
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Read the whole sentence...it's only a problem for the owner if they fail to secure their gun.

It's still stolen if you leave it sitting on your coffee table and your front door open while you are drinking a 40 and smoking a Pall Mall on the back porch, and if you do that and someone walks right in and takes your gun then you are a dipshit that deserves to rot for it, too.

If you don't have your firearm under your control then lock it up...it ain't hard.

Fish on...

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#911702 - 10/31/14 01:55 PM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: Todd]
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I-594 is a faith-based initiative sponsored and supported by folks who need to believe that by passing a law, gun violence will be reduced, regardless of what a logical analysis concludes.

I was taken aback last weekend when my sister told me that she is voting for it, and I know she is not easily deterred from logic. I-594 is probably going to pass because of its strong emotional appeal. This initiative is one further example that logic and emotions are not a good fit.

Sg

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#911706 - 10/31/14 02:53 PM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
I-594 is a faith-based initiative sponsored and supported by folks who need to believe that by passing a law, gun violence will be reduced, regardless of what a logical analysis concludes.

I was taken aback last weekend when my sister told me that she is voting for it, and I know she is not easily deterred from logic. I-594 is probably going to pass because of its strong emotional appeal. This initiative is one further example that logic and emotions are not a good fit.

Sg

Well said.

There are sensible gun laws and there are idiotic gun laws that are only passed because emotions override common sense.



Hear Hear
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#911709 - 10/31/14 03:00 PM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: blackmouth]
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Part of that issue what my point is...the emotional kneejerk jackass reactions by some gun advocates contribute to the problem far more than they help it.

Just read what an IQ 74 dimwit like Sol Dunce wrote above...it's not reasonable gun owners who use facts and logic to make arguments that drive the emotional factors over the facts, it's idiots like Sol Dunce who do...to the detriment of all the rest of us.

It's hard enough to have a reasonable conversation with a sane person about it...but when idiots like Sol Dunce not only yell the loudest but do it while reveling in their idiocy, then we end up getting what idiots like him deserve.

Fish on...

Todd
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#911713 - 10/31/14 03:15 PM Re: Political Correctness and ininative 594. [Re: Todd]
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Originally Posted By: Todd


If you don't have your firearm under your control then lock it up...it ain't hard.



If you believe a firearm cannot be stolen while "locked up" your wrong.. That was my entire point.... Not that someone left it unattended and it was stolen....

"steal" was your words....


My bother in law had his entire gun safe stolen while him and my sister were out of town on business..... I guess if one of his guns commits a crime they should be punished....
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