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#927239 - 04/15/15 03:55 PM Re: North of Falcon---1st meeting of 2015 [Re: rojoband]
Lucky Louie Offline
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Originally Posted By: rojoband

So is this how it ended:

Originally Posted By: bota2
Sorry if this is old news

BREAKING NEWS
FISHING SEASONS SEVERELY CUT IN WASHINGTON STATE
Not sure if you’ve heard the news yet but North of Falcon is just wrapping up in California. The Muckelshoot Tribe successfully arm-twisted WDFW to accept one of the most restrictive packages for sport salmon fishing in Puget Sound since the ESA listings back in the late 90’s. Former Director Phil Anderson agreed to the deal and convinced new Director Jim Unsworth to take the deal.
Area 10 - no fishing for Chinook.
Area 9 - quota cut in half which will mean about a one week season.
British Columbia will be the big winner here as Northwest sports fishermen take their American dollars north for quality fishing.
Read the CCA Article on the WDFW Budget Update – Are you ready for a fee increase on your license renewal? Governor Jay Inslee and WDFW feel this is a good way to close a projected $10M biennial shortfall.

Phil Anderson and Department stirred up the Puget Sound tribes into a frenzy by leaving them out of the negotiations between WDFW and WFC about closing PS steelhead hatcheries and Phil is now the main negotiator for WDFW with the same PS tribes?

How could anything possibly go wrong?
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#927244 - 04/15/15 04:17 PM Re: North of Falcon---1st meeting of 2015 [Re: Lucky Louie]
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From NW sportsman mag blog: http://nwsportsmanmag.com/editors-blog/washington-fishing-managers-set-2015-salmon-seasons/

Central Sound Chinook anglers will see reduced summer fisheries, and word of that is riling social media, but prospects look good for coho and pink salmon fishing across Western Washington this season.

A WDFW manager confirmed to Northwest Sportsman that Area 10, the waters off Seattle, Shoreline, Bainbridge Island and parts of the Kitsap Peninsula, will have no mark-selective Chinook retention season this year, while Area 9 to the north in Admiralty Inlet will open in mid-July with a quota of less than 2,500.

That probably won’t last long with how popular the fishery for fin-clipped kings has become since its inception.


There's a lot more at the link....


Edited by rojoband (04/15/15 04:18 PM)

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#927251 - 04/15/15 05:06 PM Re: North of Falcon---1st meeting of 2015 [Re: rojoband]
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WDFW NEWS RELEASE
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov/
April 15, 2015
Contact: Ron Warren, WDFW, (360) 791-3945
Washington's salmon fisheries set for 2015
ROHNERT PARK, CALIF. – State and tribal co-managers today agreed on a package of salmon fisheries that meets conservation goals for wild salmon populations and provides fishing opportunities on healthy stocks.
Washington's 2015 salmon fishing seasons, developed by the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) and treaty tribal co-managers, were finalized during the Pacific Fishery Management Council's (PFMC) meeting in Rohnert Park, Calif. The regulations cover salmon fisheries in Puget Sound, Washington's ocean and coastal areas, and the Columbia River.
The first priority for state and tribal fishery managers was to develop a package of salmon fisheries that is consistent with ongoing efforts to protect and rebuild wild salmon stocks, said Ron Warren, fisheries policy lead for WDFW.
While state and tribal fishers will have a variety of salmon-fishing opportunities this year, many fisheries will be constrained to protect wild salmon listed under the federal Endangered Species Act, he said.
“With about 25 percent fewer wild chinook expected back to Puget Sound this year, we had to make several difficult decisions in order to meet conservation goals for wild salmon,” Warren said. “Despite those necessary changes, anglers will still have a number of good opportunities to fish for salmon this year in Washington.”
As in past years, recreational salmon fisheries will vary by area:
Washington's ocean waters: The PFMC approved a recreational chinook catch quota of 64,000 fish, which is an increase of 4,900 fish from 2014's quota. The PFMC, which establishes fishing seasons in ocean waters three to 200 miles off the Pacific coast, also adopted a quota of 150,800 coho for this year's recreational ocean fishery – about 34,000 fish fewer than last year's quota.
Mark-selective fisheries for hatchery chinook will begin in ocean areas on various dates in May.
• The recreational salmon fishing season in marine areas 3 (La Push) and 4 (Neah Bay) will begin with two short openings May 15-16 and May 22-23 for hatchery chinook. The mark-selective fishery for hatchery chinook in those two marine areas will then reopen May 30 and run seven days a week through June 12.
• Mark-selective fisheries for hatchery chinook will be open daily May 30 through June 12 in Marine Area 2 (Westport/Ocean Shores) and Marine Area 1 (Ilwaco).
• In all areas, anglers will have a daily limit of two salmon, but must release coho and wild chinook. The fisheries could close earlier if a coastwide quota of 10,000 hatchery chinook is reached.
Recreational ocean salmon fisheries for chinook and hatchery coho will be open daily beginning June 13 in marine areas 1-4. Anglers will have a daily limit of two salmon, plus two additional pink salmon in marine areas 3 and 4. Those fishing marine areas 1 and 2 also will have a two-salmon daily limit, but can keep only one chinook per day. All four marine areas will close Sept. 30. The La Push late-season area of Marine Area 3 will reopen Oct. 1-11.
Columbia River: The Buoy 10 salmon fishery will be open from Aug. 1 through Dec. 31. The fishery will be open for chinook and hatchery coho Aug. 1 through Sept. 7 (Labor Day) with a daily limit of two salmon, only one of which can be chinook.
From Sept. 8 through Sept. 30, anglers will have a daily limit of two hatchery coho, but must release chinook. From Oct. 1 through Dec. 31, the fishery will be open for chinook and hatchery coho, with a daily limit of two adult salmon. During the season, fishery managers will assess the catch and may make changes to chinook retention.
For the second-straight year, during fall fisheries, anglers fishing from the same boat may continue fishing for salmon until all anglers have reached their daily limits in the following areas:
• The mainstem Columbia River from the Rocky Point/Tongue Point line upstream to Lewis River will be open for hatchery coho Aug. 1 through Dec. 31. Anglers will be allowed to retain one adult chinook as part of their two-adult daily limit from Aug. 1 through Sept. 14. From Sept. 8 through Sept. 14, adult chinook retention is restricted to hatchery chinook only. From Oct. 1 through Dec. 31, anglers can retain two adult chinook daily.
• The Lewis River upstream to Steamboat Landing Park dock/Marker #50, near Washougal, will be open Aug. 1 through Dec. 31 for chinook and hatchery coho, with a daily limit of two adult salmon.
• The Steamboat Landing Park dock/Marker #50 upstream to Bonneville Dam will be open Aug. 1 through Dec. 31 for chinook and hatchery coho with a daily limit of three adult salmon, two of which can be hatchery coho.
• Bonneville Dam upstream to the Highway 395 Bridge near Pasco will be open Aug. 1 through Dec. 31 with a daily limit of three adult salmon, two of which may be coho. Anglers must release any unmarked coho caught downstream of the Hood River Bridge.
The summer season on the mainstem Columbia River from the Astoria-Megler Bridge upstream to Bonneville Dam will initially be open from June 16 through July 6 for hatchery summer chinook and sockeye. The daily limit will be two adult salmonids (chinook and steelhead must be adipose fin-clipped). All sockeye are considered adults in the daily limit. Staff will monitor the fishery and potentially modify the July portion of the fishery, which may include extending the season or allowing retention of any adult chinook.
The summer season from Bonneville Dam upstream to the Highway 395 Bridge will be open from June 16 through July 31 for hatchery summer chinook and sockeye. The daily limit will be two adult salmonids (chinook and steelhead must be adipose fin-clipped). All sockeye are considered adults in the daily limit.
Puget Sound: Anglers will have an opportunity to take advantage of solid returns of coho, pink and Skagit River sockeye salmon. They will, however, see adjustments to hatchery chinook fisheries, due to an expected weaker return of both wild and hatchery chinook than prior years.
“Fishing for pink salmon should be excellent in Puget Sound, including in Hood Canal and Dungeness Bay,” said Ryan Lothrop, Puget Sound recreational fishery manager for WDFW.
Anglers fishing Marine Area 10 (Seattle/Bremerton) will see the biggest change this season. The area will be closed to chinook retention as part of an effort to rebuild stocks returning to Lake Washington. However, Marine Area 10 will still be open for coho and pink salmon retention.
Neighboring Marine Area 9 (Admiralty Inlet) will be open the same dates as last year, with anglers allowed to retain hatchery chinook from July 16 through Aug. 15. However, the area could close sooner if the quota of 2,483 fish is met.
A portion of the estimated 14 million pink salmon returning to Canada's Fraser River will make their way to the Strait of Juan de Fuca and the waters of the San Juan Islands. Another roughly 6.5 million pink salmon will return to Puget Sound. Anglers fishing in most marine areas will be allowed to keep two pink salmon in addition to daily catch limits for other salmon during July through September.
Meanwhile, the forecast for sockeye returning to Baker Lake is strong enough to allow for both a lake fishery, open mid-July through early September, and a fishery on the Skagit River, which will be open June 16 through July 15 with a quota.
Other changes to this year’s Puget Sound marine area and freshwater fisheries include:
• Marine Area 7 (San Juan Islands) will remain a non mark-selective fishery for the month of July, when anglers can keep one chinook per day with a two fish limit, plus two additional pink salmon. Also in July, the southern Rosario strait/eastern Strait of Juan de Fuca will be closed for salmon.
• The Dungeness Bay section of Marine Area 6 (Port Angeles) will be open July 16 through Aug. 15 for pink salmon fishing only with gear restrictions. Anglers can keep four pink salmon daily.
• Elliott Bay will be open for pink and coho retention Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays starting Aug. 14.
• Marine Area 12 (Hood Canal) north of Ayock Point will be open to coho and pink salmon fishing starting in July with gear restrictions for that month only.
• The mark-selective fishery for hatchery chinook on the Skykomish River is not scheduled to open this year. However, the fishery could open (by emergency rule) if broodstock goals are met.
• Anglers on the Skokomish River should be aware of a new “bobber only” section of the river, from the Highway 106 Bridge to Highway 101. Upstream of Highway 106 will be open in late July for “bobber only” fishing. Additionally, the free-flowing freshwaters near the mouth of the river (below the Tacoma Powerlines) will be closed this year.
• Tahuya River is closed to coho fishing due to several issues including trespassing, littering, and snagging.
• Anglers fishing in Marine Area 5 will be able to retain wild coho for eight days in September, in addition to the entire month of October. Marine Area 7 also will be open for wild coho retention in October.
• Puyallup River will have closures similar to last year, while the Nisqually River will have additional closures.
• Lake Sammamish will be closed to salmon fishing this year.
Specific fishing seasons and regulations for marine areas in Washington and a portion of the Columbia River will be posted on WDFW's North of Falcon website at http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/northfalcon/ within a few weeks.

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#927255 - 04/15/15 05:49 PM Re: North of Falcon---1st meeting of 2015 [Re: DrifterWA]
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Seems like all sides are "cutting to the bone," where do we get to find out all the deep concessions that the NW Indian Fishing Commission made?

Quote:

"HE FOLLOWING IS A PRESS RELEASE FROM THE NORTHWEST INDIAN FISHERIES COMMISSION

Treaty tribal and state salmon co-managers reached agreement late Tuesday on a package of fishing seasons that will fairly share the burden of conserving weak wild salmon stocks while providing limited harvest opportunities."

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#927329 - 04/16/15 11:51 AM Re: North of Falcon--- 2015 [Re: DrifterWA]
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Conservation works when all shareholders take equal responsibility of impacts, considering draft model run 0915 of unmarked Lake Washington Chinook showed a disparity of 74% tribal to 26% NT impacts.

It looks like only (14) sport caught LW Chinook in July-Sept is the partial blame for Area 10 not opening this year, compared to Tribal troll in the ocean at about 2 ½ times of this same Chinook stock caught (39). What happens to that fishery?

Then almost 9 ½ times more unmarked Lake Washington Chinook (132) were caught by net at extreme terminal & FW locations than sport anglers in area 10. That should be interesting to see how the tribes have closed that enormous gap to be able to keep their season open considering how few Chinook can influence an open season.
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#927363 - 04/16/15 08:04 PM Re: North of Falcon---1st meeting of 2015 [Re: eldplanko]
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Originally Posted By: eldplanko
Seems like all sides are "cutting to the bone," where do we get to find out all the deep concessions that the NW Indian Fishing Commission made?

Quote:

"HE FOLLOWING IS A PRESS RELEASE FROM THE NORTHWEST INDIAN FISHERIES COMMISSION

Treaty tribal and state salmon co-managers reached agreement late Tuesday on a package of fishing seasons that will fairly share the burden of conserving weak wild salmon stocks while providing limited harvest opportunities."


I'm sure that the new Director will be providing all of the details very soon - or not.
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#927409 - 04/17/15 10:09 AM Re: North of Falcon---1st meeting of 2015 [Re: Larry B]
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Originally Posted By: Larry B

I'm sure that the new Director will be providing all of the details very soon - or not.


Well, he will be on the radio this weekend: https://www.facebook.com/177883655555995...9170033/?type=1

Northwest Wild Country
**SHOW PREVIEW: Please share this with your WA fishing friends. A conversation not to be missed**

Be sure to tune in to NW Wild Country this Saturday as we welcome Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife Director Jim Unsworth to the show to talk about the recently released Washington salmon seasons. Director Unsworth will join us from 7 to 7:30 a.m, part of a fully-packed NWWC show lineup.

Questions for Dr. Unsworth? Post them up here on this thread (link above, or here again: https://www.facebook.com/177883655555995...9170033/?type=1 ), text them in to 49451 on Saturday, and give Leeper at call at (206) 286-9595 or (800) 829-0950 starting at 6 a.m. on Saturday. We're going to do our best to include as many great questions as possible.

You'll catch us here: 1). On TV on Comcast Sportsnet NW (channels 179/617 in WA; channels 37/737 in OR); 2). On radio at Sportsradio 950 KJR; 3). On your smart phone via the IHeartRadio app (search for Sportsradio 950 KJR); 4). Live streaming at www.sportsradiokjr.com
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#927431 - 04/17/15 12:45 PM Re: North of Falcon---1st meeting of 2015 [Re: DrifterWA]
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Half an hour might be sufficient for the first question.....should be an interesting exposure.
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#927547 - 04/19/15 09:54 AM Re: North of Falcon---1st meeting of 2015 [Re: DrifterWA]
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From what I hear it was a decision made under duress. It wasn't about numbers because I am told that the impacts on ESA listed Chinook changed by about 10 fish by closing down MA 10 and cutting MA 9. The muk. tribe waited until all negotiations were thought to have been agreed upon and then said they wouldn't agree unless their idea of the area 9/10 happened. It was a planned strategy that worked. If that is the new game plan then there really isn't anything to negotiate. One of the three entities at the table holds all the power. We get the left overs.

In the interviews that I've heard I didn't think Director Unsworth offered any solutions for the future or even answers as to what exactly happened at NOF. Almost sounded as if he was apologizing for his lack of experience in these matters and that he is learning as he goes on the job.

Wow, what a screwed up system. The people who pay for the hatcheries don't get to fish for hatchery fish. It was offered by the director that there is a good run of coho and pinks this year and that catch and release on hatchery Chinook is also available. I'm not happy with catch and release and I don't consider pinks or coho in the same class as Chinook.

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#927553 - 04/19/15 11:21 AM Re: North of Falcon---1st meeting of 2015 [Re: DrifterWA]
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"C&R on hatch kings.... YGTBFKM right?" says THE ahfMD
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#927567 - 04/19/15 05:27 PM Re: North of Falcon---1st meeting of 2015 [Re: DrifterWA]
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Should have let the Muk's close the season. 2016 NOF will be interesting.
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#927600 - 04/19/15 09:00 PM Re: North of Falcon---1st meeting of 2015 [Re: DrifterWA]
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What is it Dogfish says,"Take stupid chances, win stupid prizes?" WDFW sure did.

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#927619 - 04/19/15 11:10 PM Re: North of Falcon---1st meeting of 2015 [Re: DrifterWA]
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#927798 - 04/21/15 02:14 PM Re: North of Falcon--- 2015 [Re: DrifterWA]
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#927957 - 04/22/15 06:18 PM Re: North of Falcon--- 2015 [Re: DrifterWA]
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Thanks Ron, always fun to see a group working on an important conservation project......
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#927963 - 04/22/15 07:31 PM Re: North of Falcon--- 2015 [Re: DrifterWA]
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#928023 - 04/23/15 11:55 AM Re: North of Falcon--- 2015 [Re: DrifterWA]
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Tribes are going to do "what tribes do"....Bolt Decision basically said that that the treaty tribes have 1/2 of all fish, crab, clams, and the touchy one, can hunt when they want to hunt.

As someone who lives in Grays Harbor, I know the QIN, fish a gillnet schedule that is more than I feel they should BUT THAT SAID, the QIN backed off the days during !2/14 - 4/15 and Wild/Native steelhead numbers went up.

I don't know what would happen if they decided to take 1/2 the crab, clams, oysters, etc.??????????

Do you??????

Sometimes, I just "bite my tongue"......that's tough for me to do!!!

I do know that the Chehalis River doesn't need 3 groups gill netting the river....QIN, Chehalis Tribe and Non-treaty......what group should go????

Old saying "Let sleeping dogs lie".....I know some would like to "fight the Indian wars, again".....just not going to win!!!!


Edited by DrifterWA (04/23/15 12:13 PM)
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#928247 - 04/27/15 01:18 PM Re: North of Falcon--- 2015 [Re: DrifterWA]
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Quick reminder for the Adviser Willapa NOF Tuesday. It should be interesting to say the least as the new model has allowed for those who want to work on potential commercial seasons. It is rather surprising to see things modeled by area by week by species.

• Tuesday April 21st, WB advisory Meeting, Raymond High School Library, 6-9pm
• Thursday April 23rd, WB Public Meeting, Raymond Elks, 6-9pm
• Tuesday April 28th, WB Advisory Meeting, Raymond High School Library, 6-9pm
• Thursday April 30th, WB Public Meeting, Raymond Elks, 6-9pm


Edited by Rivrguy (04/27/15 01:22 PM)
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