A psychologist named Dr. Matthew Johnson says he saw Big Foot while hiking with his family this past weekend(?). He's from Grants Pass, Oregon. Anybody else seen Big Foot? Years ago I was hiking and fishing in the mountains west of Jacksonville, Oregon; I thought I might have heard Bigfoot while camping in a dark secluded valley. PS: I'm a little skeptical, but I'm open. An addendum: He says he was at Oregon Caves National Monument.

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BIGFOOT does not exist!! I have worked in the woods for 20years and have yet to cross paths.TM

Timberman: I'm with you, really. But I don't watch scary fictional, fantastic, impossible movies if I want to sleep soundly.

Sure big foot exsists, you can witness it at the locks whem my big foot steps on the netters

I emailed Dr. Johnson to share with him my experience west of Jacksonville, Oregon. He emailed me that he "enjoyed" reading about my experience. He said he hoped I "enjoyed" his interview on my local radio station last night. His use of the word "enjoyed" sounds to me as if he thinks he has entertained me. Hmmm. Tsk...that's the end of my discussion on Bigfoot. PS: The "doctor" sounded sincere.

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Having been born and raised on the Olympic Penninsula I have been exposed to a fair share of big foot hypes and a few sightings that folks were sincere about. We all have heard the ones that get going when two or three people get to feeding off of each others hysteria and make a big stump or snag move around on the other side of a clear cut Those sometimes get the most press and once I saw a couple of college kids go back to the scene and tear down the stump but a local saw them do it an went and called the press and with a photographer present he put the big old snag back together with scrap lumber and chicken wire. Damned thing sure looked like a big old stand on two hind legs kinda beast. The other kind are the ones that I find interesting I was at a social gathering over 20 years ago and a Sioux native who had worked as Park Ranger in Olympic National Park out at Ozzette Lake swears up and down that he ran into one that was totaly pissed off at a small band of elk, and was focused on whatever the hell it was he was doing, that Dan was able to walk right up on the whole fiasco. Claim was that when every thing got his wind all animals did what they usually do and dissapered into the coastal jungle. But hell there are people swear up and down they have been in space ships. There are even people who think one brand of boat is better than the next go figure.

Good take Native Son! I've read that an expedition used helicopters at night to cover large expanses of wilderness with infra-red cams and only ever came up with real animals that we know exist. Combined with the fact that none of the many Bigfoot explorers has come up with a single shred of real evidence such as some bones has got to tell you something. Heck, millions of dinosaur bones burried deep over 65 million years ago have been found. Big footprints aren't credible in this case I would think, for obvious reasons. I still want to remain open minded, and I hope they do exist because that would be really cool. But there are the realities. Do you guys rememeber 7' 4" former Sonic center Tommy Burlinson, who in the late 70's grew a large beard trying to look tougher? You don't suppose..... nah. - RT

Oh no, hear I go. This is an interest of mine. I have never seen a Bigfoot, although I pass for one. I do think there are creatures out there that we have never seen. I have been hunting and fishing for 22 years. I have never seen a cougar, and only one bear. How many of you have seen any cougars? Think about how large that population is. As for the night use of the infra-red stuff, it does not penatrate dense forest. Like old growth. And the reason the animals were seen by infra-red is they ran. From everything I have read, Bigfoot will hunker down and wait until a chopper passes. But I thought this was a fishing board? The Bigfoot ones are www.bfro.net, or www.angelfire.com/wa/sasquatchsearch

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OK, let me get this straight Big Jim. You heard from whom that Bigfeet hunker when copters are near? Hmmm. Just to clarify for you; infra-red picks up on heat radiation, which is almost always animals when scanning the wilderness. Movement will only make the screen images show more. And size of heat sourses make a big difference, moving or not. That's why stationary moose show well. How big is this Bigfoot? - I have spent a quarter century out in the woods and have seen just about every significant animal except cougers or wolverines; except at a zoo so that I can believe all the myriad of pics I've seen of both. And the stories of hunter and biologist captures. But Bigfeet. Nobody seems to be home.

My old college room mate dated big foot for about three weeks. She was a very hairy creature, one egg tooth, small beady eyes, with large protruding buttocks. Man she could climb a tree and gut deer like nuthin you ever saw. Turned out she was a pretty good field hockey player, and fell in love with another Sasquatch of the same gender. Sad but true. Poor Knute was never the same. What rods does Big Foot fish with? You would have thought that they would have got hung up in a net, or been spotted by a drift boat if they existed. If I can scrape up a picture of Knutes old girl friend, I'll post it.

the location i live in california is supposed to a be a bigfoot hotspot. i was born and raised here (eureka area) and know of no one who ever saw a sasquatch. i do know a small town (willow creek) that uses bigfoot to attract tourists. as far as cougar i seen three of them. once deer hunting at about 1000 am. once at about 4am in a remote area (petrolia). lastly just off of us 101 near garberville at about 1 am. does oregon and washington have the extreme problem with cougar like california. as bears i have seen 50 -60 of em. i had to build a wooden box to put my trash cans in to keep them out of them

tyee terror,
In some very populated areas East of Seattle (Bellevue) and South of Seattle (Aurburn)they have had cats milling around neighborhoods. After hound hunting ban by voters passed a couple of years ago problem seems to be getting worse. Also expanding human population into cougar habitat is increasing chances of cat encounters. No bigfoots sightings in these areas yet. But who knows, could be some milling around just out of sight. Apparently they haven't aquired a taste for dog or cat yet.

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Hey all, I understand the principle of IR fairly well. Spent several years studying it in electronics and have used some also. I tried to pick up a person behind a large tree. No luck. I also know that when a person runs into very dense wood that even the most high tech IR fails to get through the trees. Due to ambiant heat and light from the trees themselves. That is also how night vision scopes work. Anyone who has seen COPS may have seen what happens when a bad guy runs in to the thick stuff. As for my reading, Bigfoot supposedly will hide until it feels safe to flee. Like a rabbit I guess. And since Bigfoot is also supposedly an intelligent creature, they would not flee from a chopper or plane. Just wait until it passes and then move on out. If Bigfoot is a real animal, then we all just have to wait and see.

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Here is my take on bigfoot: I grew up in a coastal logging town in southwest Washington. I know people who have been loggers for 20 plus years following the footsteps of their father and grandfather into the logging industry. That goes way back. One person I know was involved with it when the had logging camps way up into the forest (before any roads were there) and would get the logs out by damming up the river and then, when they had enough logs, they would release the water and the logs would shoot down.

I have not heard of one person who has seen bigfoot, or even a story of one persons father or grandfather who has seen one of these creatures in the woods. This leads me to believe that they do not exist. I would think that atleast a few would have been sighted in the woods over the timeline of three generations of loggers especially when you consider that some of this time was way back when there were no logging roads into the woods.

Does anyone remember the alleged footprints back in the early eigthies in the Mt St helens area? Didn't they later find an oldtimer who had stilts and was making these foot prints?




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BIG Jim, you've got to be the guy who is putting on the bigfoot print makers and walking around in the woods. You can stomp on us, right? Got a costum too to thrill people for kicks? And all we have to do is wait?? HOw long Big Jim? We have waited decades and thru many well thought out and expensive expiditions chasing a perpetuated hoax. They have come up with NO credible evidence let alone some hardcore evidence such as a body or bones or whatever! So get off your pointless infrared hangup because it's only one more piece of the huge puzzle of indicators that they do not exist. I know how I felt when my parents told me that Santa Claus and the toothfairy weren't real so I feel for you having to learn the truth. There will be other fun things to come along and believe in. ...... Oh ya, some of the supposed "credible" eyewittnesses that claim to have seen Bigfoot but nver get a verifiable picture with a camera or small camcorder that almost everyone has, they are either intelligent people, who are netorius for being bored with life so probably get kicks by screwing with ignorant's heads, or others that don't get enough attention from people. Or TV documentary phonies that present bull... along with erie music to make a buck. Get a clue!



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Wow Schtick! Did you get up too early this morning? Lighten up on Big Jim, it's all good. Life just isn't as serious as you are making it out. Maybe Mom should have waited a few more years to tell you about Santa. Sounds like your still bummed out. LOL

I saw bigfoot, once, but that was before I quit drinking, he was riding the Loch Ness monster down the Nisqually, and apparently had a limit of 40-lb. kings with him...
Seriously, It is ulikely that a large (primate?) could live in the forests around here. There's actually quite alimited supply of food in the deep forest. And, as has been pointed out, there are no cedible hair or bone samples, no identifiable Bigfoot poop, no bones or bodies.
Who knows what the supposed eyewitnesses saw. Certainly some credible people have claimed sightings, and probably saw something, but what? My dad once mistook a black bear for an angus in low light and in a place he didn't expect a bear to be. Not to say there can't be bigfoot, just that it's unlikely.
Having said that, I spent a night on Squaw Mountain by Estacada, Oregon wondering what the hell was trolling the perimeter of my camp and making so much noise on a moonless night when I was a teen on a hiking trip, no booze involved. Probably elk, but why would an elk cirlce a clearing with two people and a dying campfire? You'd be amazed how far down into a sleeping bag you can crawl...

"Bigfoot DOESN'T exist" Now that's a pretty bold statement. Not that I've ever seen one, or any evidence that would lead me to state publicly that I believe in them, saying they don't exist because you've never personally seen one seems pretty goofy to me. And how thorough were these IR scans? From the show I watched on the Discovery Channel on Bigfoot, not very. You've heard of the Coelacanth, yes? Well, granted the ocean is a damn sight bigger than the land masses, but there are some damn remote areas left.

Remember, saying "bigfoot doesn't exist" is like saying "orange cheaters work best". Try proving either statement.

Fish on.......

Dan, finally somebody that makes some sense! You know what? I haven't seen bigfoot either! that must be proof it doesn't exist! right? That seems to be the logic used on this board. No I don't believe in bigfoot but, just saying you went out in the woods and didn't see it means nothing to me.

Dan s- You sure have alot of positive things to say.How about just stating your opinion and not get on the other folks that dont beleive in bigfoot.unless you have seen him yourself.Since I've worked in the woods for 20 years and have spent a good 30 hunting and fishing and have never seen him I don't beleive he exsists.You have never seen bigfoot and beleive he exsists.Go figure that one.Seems like I have more evidence to back what I say TM


Jake-Maybe it dont mean anything to you but 6-7 days aweek 10-12 hrs a day for 20 years in the woods(not just Hiking in the woods once a month).Seems kinda funny I never have seen a print or bones from one.Maybe they bury there bones and drag a fir limb behind to cover there prints,huh.

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about the this "Bigfoot" to me it seems its a 50/50 because there is siteings and hearings, and the footprints (which could be fake), there is no reports of bones or hair.
I belive but there is also a naging voice that says , how could there be if there is no bones or fecies found?. Just like elvis or nessie , some say it exists and some don't !

BIGFOOT whats that?

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Goodness, This post is way off of fishing. I have to tell everyone right out that I do not discredit anything, until proven to my satisfaction. I have never seen a Bigfoot, a track, or hair sample. Which there have been several of by the way. Tested inconclusive. By UW even. I suppose most here don't think that ghosts or other life from space are real either. But those are whole new topics. As for Santa, hell I see him almost everyday. If anyone wants to see a pic of him, that I have. Not some grainy, crappy thing either. And nothing is pointless if it spreads knowledge to someone.

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Pardon my style of posting. I didn't mean to dis you as much as it appeared. Isn't it amazing what a passionate and frustrating subject like Bigfoot can bring out in people? They get excited by questionable "sightings", footprint hoaxes, and the funniest, noises! Like Dan S who usually has good intelligent posts, he focused on people who said it doesn't exist just because they haven't seen it. He ignored the more important factor of no credible evidence. There has been decades of extensive high tech searching that has turned up nothing but the overwhelming likelyhood that it doesn't exist. Because if it did there would be findable evidence! Period. And those trackers had big fortunes and fame riding on finding something real. They never have and never will.

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I'm sure I'll get some rasing for this ,I beleive ,it was 1978 we were hunting around camp Baker near St.Helens it was almost light and very far away at 500 yards ,what I saw was walking on 2 legs and black as hell I've seen bears this was no bear ,my 2 partners were there ask them they beleive too.Like big Jim says the UW did some test on hair samples they recieved... inconclsive were the results....I was there I don't know what I saw but I know this it was no Bear....nuff said

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Maybe a human in a garilla suit!!!!!!!

A human in a gorilla suit walking around during hunting season.. ..doubt anyone is that stupid,maybe it was fishslayer

Ok, this had nothing to do with fishing, but I toss in a few comments of my own. There is a creature known from the recent fossil record (in China I believe) known as Gigantopithicus. It was a large biped primate that lived in mountainous conditions. Often believed to be the source of the legend of the Yeti (either because it was seen in person or more likely the bones were found and legends made from it). Native american lore of the west has some pretty old tales of the Sasquatch (Bigfoot). Perhaps the legend stemmed from bones found as well. Asian legends of dragons probably originated from the discovery of dinosaur bones, long necked sauropods (brontosaurus for example) surrounded by carnivore teeth. Thus a long necked critter with sharp teeth. Some Chinese markets still refer to ground dinosur bone as "Dragon". It is possible that the large primate survived into the modern era, after all there was a Native American found (alive) in the hills of CA (in either the 30's or 40's) who was the last of a stone age tribe that all of the gold prospectors in the previous century working in CA never saw or reported existing.

Who knows...fun to speculate though

Are some of you guys serious? I said NOT seeing a bigfoot does NOT prove they don't exist. And from that you extrapolate that I said they DO exist? Come on......

You CAN'T prove they don't exist. I or anyone else CAN'T prove they do. What does that mean Timber Man? It means that YOUR OPINION is, they don't exist. My opinion is they COULD exist. Neither opinion is factual. Seems to me you could use a little explanation about the differences between opinion and fact. And 30 or 60 or 90 years in the woods without seeing a 'foot doesn't make your opinion that they don't exist any more factual.

Don't believe in bigfeet? Fine. But don't state your opinion as fact, when it isn't.


Fish on...........

Has anyone seen Santa Claus?

DanS-You tell me what you have seen Personally that makes you believe they might exsist?Nothing right? That meens you are going on hearsay....Me, I personally Have NOT witnessed anything that makes me believe they exsist..Nor do I believe what people have said,until I see it myself it does not EXSIST!!!!

Bouncer does that make me a liar ?????I can't explain what I saw ,but I sure as hell would'nt have posted it just to cause a stir but hey narrow minds are just that... narrow you're intitled to you're opion but it does not make it a fact...just because you haven't seen it .I can't say what I saw but I know I saw something that morning and it was not a bear...I also have picture of me on Santas Lap when I was 2 now the Easter Bunny I've never seen him

I was hoping that someone would post a sighting experience. Osprey's was perfectly typical, "almost light very far away about 500 yards". In low light at that great distance that could have been a tall African American hunter in dark clothes, if you are truely certain that it was not a black bear. Yet you now believe? Significantly, bears can and do walk on their hind 2 legs for a ways, especially if they smell people in the distance, in attempt to see better. This I have wittnessed more than once out in the wilds. See how these figments grow into perpertuance.

Holy Smokes....

I knew better than to jump into this can of worms. It's like the "Is there a God?" question, really kind of pointless to argue since neither side can be proven. So, b-bouncer do you see what I'm getting at? You can't prove BF doesn't exist, so why insist that's true? You can insist all you want, it doesn't make you right. We're back to the opinion vs. fact thing. Your opinion is nothing more than that, don't confuse it with fact. And I'll promise not to insist there is no God, since nobody can prove there is.

Now, I'm ready to get back to fishing, anyone else............?


Fish on........

You were right Osprey, It very well could have been fishslayer. He is the only person that is that dumb. lol

Hey, Plunker!
What river was your Bigfoot on? Maybe the 'squatch I saw was bringing you those 40lb. kings. Stranger things have happened...

Well, I will settle the Santa debate. Here's a pic of him. I hope it goes through. The kid is my "little" brother.
Well, guess it didn't work. That kinda sucks.
OK, here is santa.

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OK, since this one harmless thread has gotten as far away from fishing as Santa, I guess it couldn't hurt to add 2 more cents worth. While I really do want there to be a genuine Bigfoot species roaming stealthily around us in the bush and am trying to be open minded, let's just say that if I were on the jury that had to decide one way or the other based on all real & circumstantial evidence that I would have to logically side with the non-believers. That was until I dug up one of my wife's old issues of the National Inquirer. It had an article claiming that Madonna has made love to a Bigfoot somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest. They did not have any pics unfortunately, but one reporter did manage to hide a radiowave sound transmitter on her somehow. The sound was described as being similar to saying Sasquatch over and over again real loudly against a background noise of Olympic weightlifters during the snatch and jerk event. Now I don't know what to believe! - RT

The snatch and jerk event in the Olympics?
Do i hear some symbolizems here?

elmtree (woody)

I saw a recent Enquirer article about Jimmy Hoffa, Elvis, and Squatch being holed up in a cave on the Oly Penn waiting for Madonna to return. Rumor has it that Elvis was singing "Love me Tender" to keep them all occupied. I'll put $5 on Madonna. You go girlfriend.

I think the article was about the Sonics mascot Squatch. I bet he is just waiting for her to come back.

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I've only been fishing, hunting, and logging for 40 years and have not seen the big guy. Heard and smelled some strange things out there but according to the front page of the Port Angeles news paper Bigfoot is alive and doing well here in the Hoh River area. Dozens of footprints, hair samples to be DNA tessted and other sign of some large type of creature. Being that this is fresh sign, maybe these researchers will prove something..hoax or not

Sorry guys. This one is too good to let go. I was watching a little re-run stuff from Court TV, and..............

Do you think that Bigfoot could be the culprit in the Ron Goldman and Nicole Simpson crimes? I heard rumors that "Juice" was combing the old growth forests of the Pacific Northwest in search of the culprit. It may be in bad taste, but I'm having a cruddy day, and I can't help it.

I thought O.J. was looking for the killer at Golf courses???

All right guys! How about let's get back to what this BB was intended for - mysterious creatures that might walk the woods around here. Not Elvis,Juice, or Madonna.

I thought OJ was looking for the killer in his mirror............

hey guys, You must have too much time on your hands to talk about things like this. Why don't you guys go get your lines wet. HA HA Fish on guys