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#923674 - 02/25/15 02:33 PM Re: picture making the rounds [Re: The Moderator]
Lucky Louie Offline
Carcass

Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 2286
Originally Posted By: paker
Originally Posted By: stam
Anyone that REALLY cares will stop fishin for wild steelhead immediately. ...if not, you're the problem.


No truer words have been quoted on this site in many a years.

Damn Stam.


+1
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#923690 - 02/25/15 05:32 PM Re: picture making the rounds [Re: Lucky Louie]
Rocket Red Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 02/14/06
Posts: 2540
Loc: Elma
Originally Posted By: Lucky Louie
Originally Posted By: paker
Originally Posted By: stam
Anyone that REALLY cares will stop fishin for wild steelhead immediately. ...if not, you're the problem.


No truer words have been quoted on this site in many a years.

Damn Stam.


+1


I was part of the problem last weekend, and probably will be this weekend too.

I guess it means I REALLY DON"T care.

See y'all on the river.
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#926191 - 03/29/15 07:33 PM Re: picture making the rounds [Re: Salmo g.]
Swing r Die Offline
Smolt

Registered: 09/24/14
Posts: 77
Salmo,

You're an intelligent person.

Are you really arguing that fish being hooked, played, taken out of the water ( most do it), and then possibly hooked again doesn't have a mortality rate?

I think you're a fish manager/senior bio so you know mortality rates are included in all proposed fisheries. With the sky rocketing # of guides & fishermen mortality is an issue especially when people are fishing in prime spawning habitat.





Come On SG.

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#926192 - 03/29/15 08:05 PM Re: picture making the rounds [Re: FleaFlickr02]
Swing r Die Offline
Smolt

Registered: 09/24/14
Posts: 77
Flea,

I do it all the time. I catch a fish or two, then pack it up and do something else the rest of the day. To me it's the hunt, the catching is just a small part of the game. If I catch one line peeler I'm good. I'm not into numbers as it has nothing to do with fishing.

There are some non-greedy anglers that fish.

Two times this month I caught bucks over 20.

They were caught in the first spots I stopped at that day. On both floats only (3 miles) I cut off my fly, broke down the rod and floated to the take out with the biggest smile on my face after successfully releasing each of these gems.
I thought about continuing to fish but why? I was lucky to have caught a fish of a lifetime. There may have been a larger fish in the next run down... Oh well, hopefully some other lucky person will hook it and experience what I did. Maybe it will change their view towards fishing and they will have more appreciation for the resource.....?

Just my 2 cents

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#926193 - 03/29/15 08:18 PM Re: picture making the rounds [Re: bk paige]
Swing r Die Offline
Smolt

Registered: 09/24/14
Posts: 77
Originally Posted By: bk paige
Yes I would limit my self, as i swing flies for steelhead. After 2 fish landed I would switch to a lighter tip, still hooking I would switch to a floater with a wet, still hooking put on a skater. I get more enjoyment watching my friends get into fish so they would be the priority.. For the common working guy that has a big day once a year no big deal, but the guides out there doing it over and over and over with no self regard for the resources is whats the problem.




BK Paige,



I couldn't agree more with your statement above.

its a simple equation...

We have fewer fish than we did decades ago and the pressure was much much lighter because Puget sound tribs were open in March/April.

Now everybody wants to catch a steelhead and guide on the peninsula.

So, far fewer fish * recreational pressure above model prediction = over exploitation.

If a guide has 2 clients a day for 4 days a week and hooks an ave of 5 fish a day ( late Feb-April 15) that is 20 per week, 160 per month.

Now multiply that by the number of guides. Now add all the pressure from pugetropolis ( non guides).

I used very conservative numbers in this example...

They could be way bigger....

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#926194 - 03/29/15 08:19 PM Re: picture making the rounds [Re: On The Swing]
Swing r Die Offline
Smolt

Registered: 09/24/14
Posts: 77
And add all the locals too....

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#926195 - 03/29/15 08:41 PM Re: picture making the rounds [Re: Rocket Red]
Swing r Die Offline
Smolt

Registered: 09/24/14
Posts: 77
Originally Posted By: Rocket Red
Originally Posted By: Lucky Louie
Originally Posted By: paker
Originally Posted By: stam
Anyone that REALLY cares will stop fishin for wild steelhead immediately. ...if not, you're the problem.


No truer words have been quoted on this site in many a years.

Damn Stam.


+1


I was part of the problem last weekend, and probably will be this weekend too.

I guess it means I REALLY DON"T care.

See y'all on the river.





Hey Red,

Great Selfish attitude. Very classy.

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#926197 - 03/29/15 09:01 PM Re: picture making the rounds [Re: On The Swing]
bk paige Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 12/22/14
Posts: 121
Loc: On the Sky
Two handed I agree, but the guides on the OP are catching far more than that a week and month(at lest the top ones). Hopefully the Skagit will reopen and take some preshure of the coast, or the OP willl be closed just like PS. What will all the greedy people say then.
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#926205 - 03/29/15 09:19 PM Re: picture making the rounds [Re: On The Swing]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 17149
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
I think this two-handed dipsh!t just like to hear himself snivel and finally found a place where he can whine and cry about everyone else while pretending he isn't a part of the problem.

What a fuckin' donkey.
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#926226 - 03/29/15 11:40 PM Re: picture making the rounds [Re: Dan S.]
Swing r Die Offline
Smolt

Registered: 09/24/14
Posts: 77
Originally Posted By: Dan S.
I think this two-handed dipsh!t just like to hear himself snivel and finally found a place where he can whine and cry about everyone else while pretending he isn't a part of the problem.

What a fuckin' donkey.



Nobody cares what you think.

You just come out and say moronic things because you have no life and can't catch fish.

You must be a lonely SOB.

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#926227 - 03/29/15 11:42 PM Re: picture making the rounds [Re: Dan S.]
Swing r Die Offline
Smolt

Registered: 09/24/14
Posts: 77
Originally Posted By: Dan S.
I think this two-handed dipsh!t just like to hear himself snivel and finally found a place where he can whine and cry about everyone else while pretending he isn't a part of the problem.

What a fuckin' donkey.



Btw Dan S,

What have you Ever done to help or Give back to the resource?

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#926228 - 03/29/15 11:47 PM Re: picture making the rounds [Re: bk paige]
Swing r Die Offline
Smolt

Registered: 09/24/14
Posts: 77
Originally Posted By: bk paige
Two handed I agree, but the guides on the OP are catching far more than that a week and month(at lest the top ones). Hopefully the Skagit will reopen and take some preshure of the coast, or the OP willl be closed just like PS. What will all the greedy people say then.



Bk Paige,

I used very conservative numbers in my scenario.

I realize the true numbers could be significantly higher.

They should shut all coastal rivers March 1.

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#926229 - 03/30/15 05:09 AM Re: picture making the rounds [Re: On The Swing]
Jerry Garcia Offline



Registered: 10/13/00
Posts: 9160
Loc: everett
I believe I just got way more than $0.02 worth.
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#926237 - 03/30/15 10:11 AM Re: picture making the rounds [Re: Swing r Die]
Salmo g. Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13520
Originally Posted By: TwoHandedAddict
Salmo,

You're an intelligent person.

Are you really arguing that fish being hooked, played, taken out of the water ( most do it), and then possibly hooked again doesn't have a mortality rate?

I think you're a fish manager/senior bio so you know mortality rates are included in all proposed fisheries. With the sky rocketing # of guides & fishermen mortality is an issue especially when people are fishing in prime spawning habitat.





Come On SG.


THA,

Thanks for the kind words regarding my intelligence. Then I had to search back and see what I wrote over a month ago. I think if you read my post from 2/22 with some care for comprehension, it would be hard to conclude that I was arguing there is no mortality associated with responsible CNR steelhead fishing. To the extent I was arguing, I said that the mortality rate is low, which is higher than non-existent and significantly lower than high, which is the value some parties want to attach to it. My conclusions are based on observed results by me and others from wild steelhead broodstocking projects that occurred on the Skagit and Sauk Rivers in the 1980s where fish were treated less carefully than current protocol (including Sparky's law) and were held for a month or longer prior to spawning, so any delayed mortality would also have been observed. The observed incidental mortality rate in those projects ranged from 2 to 4%. That means "low" to me.

Sg

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#926250 - 03/30/15 12:58 PM Re: picture making the rounds [Re: ]
Rocket Red Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 02/14/06
Posts: 2540
Loc: Elma


Quote:
Gotten a few trips in mydamnself.... seems I may have disguised my semi-sarcastic comment a little too well this time around.

stam's tip of the day: never agree with stam.


I caught the sarcasm right off. Well executed. My response was in line with it.

2handedwhatver missed it though. He or she cracked on my post, but in another post bragged about releasing 2-20 lb fish. To their defense they typed in "carefully released" so that makes it better than me and my buds yarding them in and just unhooking the throw-backs.

When carpet trolling an entire message board, like 2ha. It is hard not to contradict yourself a bit here and there.
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#926320 - 03/31/15 12:55 AM Re: picture making the rounds [Re: ]
Swing r Die Offline
Smolt

Registered: 09/24/14
Posts: 77
Lmfao.....

You're a Doozy..... And most Definetly an ankle grabber.

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