#923674 - 02/25/15 02:33 PM
Re: picture making the rounds
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Carcass
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Anyone that REALLY cares will stop fishin for wild steelhead immediately. ...if not, you're the problem. No truer words have been quoted on this site in many a years. Damn Stam. +1
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#923690 - 02/25/15 05:32 PM
Re: picture making the rounds
[Re: Lucky Louie]
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River Nutrients
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Anyone that REALLY cares will stop fishin for wild steelhead immediately. ...if not, you're the problem. No truer words have been quoted on this site in many a years. Damn Stam. +1 I was part of the problem last weekend, and probably will be this weekend too. I guess it means I REALLY DON"T care. See y'all on the river.
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#926193 - 03/29/15 08:18 PM
Re: picture making the rounds
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Smolt
Registered: 09/24/14
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Yes I would limit my self, as i swing flies for steelhead. After 2 fish landed I would switch to a lighter tip, still hooking I would switch to a floater with a wet, still hooking put on a skater. I get more enjoyment watching my friends get into fish so they would be the priority.. For the common working guy that has a big day once a year no big deal, but the guides out there doing it over and over and over with no self regard for the resources is whats the problem. BK Paige, I couldn't agree more with your statement above. its a simple equation... We have fewer fish than we did decades ago and the pressure was much much lighter because Puget sound tribs were open in March/April. Now everybody wants to catch a steelhead and guide on the peninsula. So, far fewer fish * recreational pressure above model prediction = over exploitation. If a guide has 2 clients a day for 4 days a week and hooks an ave of 5 fish a day ( late Feb-April 15) that is 20 per week, 160 per month. Now multiply that by the number of guides. Now add all the pressure from pugetropolis ( non guides). I used very conservative numbers in this example... They could be way bigger....
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#926195 - 03/29/15 08:41 PM
Re: picture making the rounds
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Smolt
Registered: 09/24/14
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Anyone that REALLY cares will stop fishin for wild steelhead immediately. ...if not, you're the problem. No truer words have been quoted on this site in many a years. Damn Stam. +1 I was part of the problem last weekend, and probably will be this weekend too. I guess it means I REALLY DON"T care. See y'all on the river. Hey Red, Great Selfish attitude. Very classy.
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#926197 - 03/29/15 09:01 PM
Re: picture making the rounds
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 12/22/14
Posts: 121
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Two handed I agree, but the guides on the OP are catching far more than that a week and month(at lest the top ones). Hopefully the Skagit will reopen and take some preshure of the coast, or the OP willl be closed just like PS. What will all the greedy people say then.
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#926205 - 03/29/15 09:19 PM
Re: picture making the rounds
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
Registered: 03/07/99
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I think this two-handed dipsh!t just like to hear himself snivel and finally found a place where he can whine and cry about everyone else while pretending he isn't a part of the problem.
What a fuckin' donkey.
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#926226 - 03/29/15 11:40 PM
Re: picture making the rounds
[Re: Dan S.]
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Smolt
Registered: 09/24/14
Posts: 77
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I think this two-handed dipsh!t just like to hear himself snivel and finally found a place where he can whine and cry about everyone else while pretending he isn't a part of the problem.
What a fuckin' donkey. Nobody cares what you think. You just come out and say moronic things because you have no life and can't catch fish. You must be a lonely SOB.
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#926227 - 03/29/15 11:42 PM
Re: picture making the rounds
[Re: Dan S.]
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Smolt
Registered: 09/24/14
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I think this two-handed dipsh!t just like to hear himself snivel and finally found a place where he can whine and cry about everyone else while pretending he isn't a part of the problem.
What a fuckin' donkey. Btw Dan S, What have you Ever done to help or Give back to the resource?
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#926228 - 03/29/15 11:47 PM
Re: picture making the rounds
[Re: bk paige]
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Smolt
Registered: 09/24/14
Posts: 77
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Two handed I agree, but the guides on the OP are catching far more than that a week and month(at lest the top ones). Hopefully the Skagit will reopen and take some preshure of the coast, or the OP willl be closed just like PS. What will all the greedy people say then. Bk Paige, I used very conservative numbers in my scenario. I realize the true numbers could be significantly higher. They should shut all coastal rivers March 1.
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#926237 - 03/30/15 10:11 AM
Re: picture making the rounds
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13520
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Salmo,
You're an intelligent person.
Are you really arguing that fish being hooked, played, taken out of the water ( most do it), and then possibly hooked again doesn't have a mortality rate?
I think you're a fish manager/senior bio so you know mortality rates are included in all proposed fisheries. With the sky rocketing # of guides & fishermen mortality is an issue especially when people are fishing in prime spawning habitat.
Come On SG. THA, Thanks for the kind words regarding my intelligence. Then I had to search back and see what I wrote over a month ago. I think if you read my post from 2/22 with some care for comprehension, it would be hard to conclude that I was arguing there is no mortality associated with responsible CNR steelhead fishing. To the extent I was arguing, I said that the mortality rate is low, which is higher than non-existent and significantly lower than high, which is the value some parties want to attach to it. My conclusions are based on observed results by me and others from wild steelhead broodstocking projects that occurred on the Skagit and Sauk Rivers in the 1980s where fish were treated less carefully than current protocol (including Sparky's law) and were held for a month or longer prior to spawning, so any delayed mortality would also have been observed. The observed incidental mortality rate in those projects ranged from 2 to 4%. That means "low" to me. Sg
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#926250 - 03/30/15 12:58 PM
Re: picture making the rounds
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River Nutrients
Registered: 02/14/06
Posts: 2540
Loc: Elma
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Gotten a few trips in mydamnself.... seems I may have disguised my semi-sarcastic comment a little too well this time around.
stam's tip of the day: never agree with stam. I caught the sarcasm right off. Well executed. My response was in line with it. 2handedwhatver missed it though. He or she cracked on my post, but in another post bragged about releasing 2-20 lb fish. To their defense they typed in "carefully released" so that makes it better than me and my buds yarding them in and just unhooking the throw-backs. When carpet trolling an entire message board, like 2ha. It is hard not to contradict yourself a bit here and there.
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