#923452 - 02/21/15 11:18 PM
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Juvenile at Sea
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So do'es being hooked over and over and over again!!!!!
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#923454 - 02/22/15 12:22 AM
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Juvenile at Sea
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Or not fishing them on their spawning beds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#923456 - 02/22/15 08:13 AM
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#looksasigasatrout #hashtag #payhank
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#923458 - 02/22/15 10:09 AM
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River Nutrients
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So do'es being hooked over and over and over again!!!!! And you know this based on what evidence please?
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#923463 - 02/22/15 11:25 AM
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Juvenile at Sea
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Not fact but If one went to the Hoh and watch the bobber show, especially on the upper river it do'sent take much to see a high percentage being caught multipale times.
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#923464 - 02/22/15 11:41 AM
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So do'es being hooked over and over and over again!!!!! And you know this based on what evidence please? i view it as common sense Salmo, if you dont want to play Steelhead forever due to them possibly dying from lactic acid build up, wouldnt catching the same fish multiple times still have that effect on them? obviously after catching it 1 time and it going back to the river for 24 hours or so untouched, the acid will disperse back into the system, vs catching it multiple times it has no time to leave the system, and the levels are higher after being caught 20 minutes ago than from a fish that was never hooked.... or is that not logical thinking?
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#923465 - 02/22/15 12:08 PM
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So do'es being hooked over and over and over again!!!!! And you know this based on what evidence please? i view it as common sense Salmo..... or is that not logical thinking? Lol You don't have the slightest clue what common sense or logical thinking is redhook. Otherwise you'd be filling out job applications instead of posting here.
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#923467 - 02/22/15 12:27 PM
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So do'es being hooked over and over and over again!!!!! And you know this based on what evidence please? i view it as common sense Salmo..... or is that not logical thinking? Lol You don't have the slightest clue what common sense or logical thinking is redhook. Otherwise you'd be filling out job applications instead of posting here. Redhook vs Salmo, Forrest Gump/Gomer Pyle vs Einstein. Same difference.
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#923468 - 02/22/15 12:31 PM
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Lord of the Chums
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it was a question for Steve, not you two dimbulbs....
thats how people learn stuff, by asking people who already know the answer...
go back to bed children...
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#923469 - 02/22/15 12:40 PM
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Before this thread goes sideways,
I read the study attached, which had nothing to do with steelhead but rather Atlantic salmon. Most might have a rough time with mixing apples with oranges—might even be frowned upon.
With that said, I would agree to use extreme caution and use prescribed measures when intending to release any fish—it certainly can’t hurt.
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#923476 - 02/22/15 02:16 PM
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River Nutrients
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For the record, I do support the use of safe fish handling technique. Poor handling is second only to fatal hooking location in fish mortality rate in catch and release fishing.
Bk paige,
How many times can a winter steelhead be caught and released before reproductive efficacy is affected or mortality occurs? The reason I ask is because I think the answer is that no one knows. If the primary cause of mortality is fatal hooking location, hypothetically the more times a fish is hooked the greater the probability is that it will be hooked in a fatal location. However, statistically the odds of hooking in a fatal location are exactly the same each and every time an individual fish is hooked. If the odds are relatively low of being hooked in a fatal location, and they are, then the odds of being hooked numerous times are not additively higher with each subsequent hookup.
I think it's worth noting that the USFWS and NPS estimate that the average cutthroat trout in the vicinity of Buffalo Ford is hooked 7 times a year, and the water termperature - coming off the surface of Yellowstone Lake - is far, far warmer than any winter steelhead stream. So the cummulative stress on those cutthroat could reasonably be estimated as being higher than on winter steelhead on the Hoh or any other river.
Redhook,
As pointed out frequently, neither common sense nor logic are your strong points. Latic acid build up in steelhead and trout is a risk when water temperatures warm up, like in the 60s or thereabouts. A winter steelhead river at 52*F and usually in the 40s is cool enough that a winter steelhead could theoretically be hooked and played for 24 hours and not die of lactic acid build up. I'm not saying that no build up occurs, just that lethal levels don't. Therefore common sense and logic tell me that lactic acid build up is the very least worry in regards to catching and releasing winter steelhead. Please pay attention to hooking location and time out of water and poor handling techniques, as these are the factors that contribute to CNR fishing mortality in the winter. In the summer, avoid fishing when water temperatures exceed 68*F to avoid lactic acid stress in trout and steelhead.
Sg
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#923480 - 02/22/15 03:26 PM
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Juvenile at Sea
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Thanks Salmo-G, I was thinking of spawning production being the issue.
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#923481 - 02/22/15 03:32 PM
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Well said salmo...you other guys are over thinking it too much, stop pointing fingers at other things. This is something YOU can do you self to help with your encounter rates, Nice and easy like.
And just cause you don't understand it don't mean it isn't true...kudos to you asking questions evo..but remember, sometimes a question is better answered by picking up a book and reading a bit.
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#923488 - 02/22/15 05:11 PM
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Carcass
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On the swing, you sound like a pimped out puss. Tell me more o’ enlighten one.
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#923489 - 02/22/15 06:41 PM
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Spawner
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You know so much though louie...why don't you take the **** out of your mouth and start it off for us.
Cmon professor...
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#923491 - 02/22/15 07:00 PM
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Juvenile at Sea
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Not over thinking it, just better targets out there!!! On the bottume of flyer "I will also place a reasonable limit on the number of wild Steehead I catch and handle each day" never seen that happen on the coast!!! Its all about the #s
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#923500 - 02/22/15 09:22 PM
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Carcass
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You know so much though louie...why don't you take the **** out of your mouth and start it off for us.
Cmon professor... I’m not convinced that the study on the website I read pertained to the chart you provided. I would appreciate the correct published paper if you have it.
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#923503 - 02/22/15 10:16 PM
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Spawner
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Oh just come on out and say it if your gonna try to shoot holes in the theory because the research was done on atlantics.
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#923529 - 02/23/15 12:19 PM
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That's right guys, just lean your neck back a bit further. Makes it a lot easier when cutting your collective recreational fishing throat. In the meantime, how many tribal nets are on the Hoh, Queets or any other Washington river right now? I wonder if the tribes harvesting your precious wild steelhead right now took that "pledge"? In the meantime, keep leaning back and slicing away gentlemen. Carry on as usual.
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