#927855 - 04/21/15 08:32 PM
WDFW Director on MA10 Closure
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Registered: 03/27/08
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Loc: Snoqualmie WA/Cordova AK
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Worth a listen... Podcast on The Outdoor Line. Tom Nelson and Rob Ensley host WDFW Director regarding NOF process specifically regarding MA10 closure. WDFW DIRECTOR JIM UNSWORTH ON NORTH OF FALCON PROCESS
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#927888 - 04/22/15 07:42 AM
Re: WDFW Director on MA10 Closure
[Re: TJN]
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River Nutrients
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If the party you're negotiating with knows that you won't walk away from the table, then you truly do not have any leverage. Absolutely true.
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#927891 - 04/22/15 08:33 AM
Re: WDFW Director on MA10 Closure
[Re: Moravec]
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River Nutrients
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Which kinda takes the "co" out of management.
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#927895 - 04/22/15 09:46 AM
Re: WDFW Director on MA10 Closure
[Re: Moravec]
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The Original Boat Ho
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Is there a person or group within the Muckleshoot we should focus our energy on?
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#927901 - 04/22/15 10:14 AM
Re: WDFW Director on MA10 Closure
[Re: Jerry Garcia]
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Dick Nipples
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You're right Tom, we should have walked away. Agreeing to that "deal" puts all the progress made in the last 10 years in peril. When our options are 1. We get screwed, they get whatever they want, or 2. We get screwed, they get screwed, and now we'll have to actually negotiate ...then choosing #2 seems like a no brainer. Which, I suppose, is why we ended up with #1. The WDFW team that negotiated on our behalf at the PFMC should all be fired. Fish on... Todd
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#927902 - 04/22/15 10:26 AM
Re: WDFW Director on MA10 Closure
[Re: Moravec]
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
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Don't worry they will get their pensions.
People say the only job you can get paid for being wrong is a weatherman.
I disagree.
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#927918 - 04/22/15 12:21 PM
Re: WDFW Director on MA10 Closure
[Re: Moravec]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 08/24/10
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Pretty sad. How do we bring about accountability? It seems that no one outside of the fishing community cares, which I believe is our biggest hurdle.
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#927934 - 04/22/15 02:40 PM
Re: WDFW Director on MA10 Closure
[Re: RB3]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 10/21/11
Posts: 182
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Pretty sad. How do we bring about accountability? It seems that no one outside of the fishing community cares, which I believe is our biggest hurdle. This is a very true statement. Unless you're involved in the industry (be it commercial, tribal or recreational) you have absolutely no idea what is going on and hence, have no care in the world. As long as you can go to the store and buy a salmon filet for under $40 per pound (which will change soon enough after all of this mismanagement catches up with us and there are no more fish to be caught), no one cares. Depressing. At least it's a pink year....Which I'm sure like chum will become the next one to become over exploited.
Edited by TanTastic84 (04/22/15 02:42 PM)
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#927946 - 04/22/15 03:41 PM
Re: WDFW Director on MA10 Closure
[Re: GutZ]
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 28170
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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Is there a person or group within the Muckleshoot we should focus our energy on? I think the focusing that we ought to be doing on the Muckleshoot Tribe is focusing on how their negotiators managed to get everything they wanted, and ours managed to give away nearly everything we wanted. Why would anyone blame the Tribe for doing their job far better than WDFW did? Blame the failures on those who not only gave away our fishery, but then had the gall to come back and lie to us and tell us it was "for conservation". They're the ones who deserve to not only be derided, but to never be allowed in NOF or PFMC again. Fish on... Todd
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#927956 - 04/22/15 06:16 PM
Re: WDFW Director on MA10 Closure
[Re: Moravec]
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River Nutrients
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NEWS FLASH:
Todd to replace Anderson at 2016 NOF/PFMC!!
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#927958 - 04/22/15 06:28 PM
Re: WDFW Director on MA10 Closure
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Repeat Spawner
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NEWS FLASH:
Todd to replace Anderson at 2016 NOF/PFMC!!
Every new fishing license under his new tenure will come with 2 rvrfshr spoons. Extra spoons can be obtained by purchasing the rvrfshr endorsement. All funds will go towards hatchery supplementation of course.
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#928156 - 04/25/15 09:19 PM
Re: WDFW Director on MA10 Closure
[Re: Todd]
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Registered: 03/27/08
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Loc: Snoqualmie WA/Cordova AK
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Is there a person or group within the Muckleshoot we should focus our energy on? I think the focusing that we ought to be doing on the Muckleshoot Tribe is focusing on how their negotiators managed to get everything they wanted, and ours managed to give away nearly everything we wanted. Why would anyone blame the Tribe for doing their job far better than WDFW did? Blame the failures on those who not only gave away our fishery, but then had the gall to come back and lie to us and tell us it was "for conservation". They're the ones who deserve to not only be derided, but to never be allowed in NOF or PFMC again. Fish on... Todd Agreed, there should be true communication between the political groups about what is best for conservation and work towards a fishery (or none) that benefits each accordingly.
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#928157 - 04/25/15 09:59 PM
Re: WDFW Director on MA10 Closure
[Re: Moravec]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7428
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
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Why do you think that the goal of WDFW or the Mucks is "conservation"? And just what is "conservation"?
I don't think that those two groups have a shared goal and I seriously doubt that the goals of WDFW and the "rec community (whatever that really is)" are shared.
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#928159 - 04/26/15 08:36 AM
Re: WDFW Director on MA10 Closure
[Re: Moravec]
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Spawner
Registered: 03/21/06
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It's a case of the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Tribal slots are a 600 mil monster in washington annually, with revenue like that ontop of the other gaming. We have created deep pocket beasts.
The only way to bring equality to the table is using those slots as a nego tool. At the present time they have exclusive rights to them and the cash cow they create, but if the State would let every bowling ally, hotel, restraunte ect have them, or the threat of..... It may shed a different light in thier eyes. But allowing them the gaming monoply, to financially support there cause, they will eventually go after everything else.
Edited by Met'lheadMatt (04/26/15 07:10 PM)
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#928182 - 04/26/15 04:47 PM
Re: WDFW Director on MA10 Closure
[Re: Moravec]
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#928213 - 04/27/15 09:09 AM
Re: WDFW Director on MA10 Closure
[Re: Moravec]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 06/22/09
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I've been in a Casino a couple of times. Not going in another one for a long time
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#928379 - 04/28/15 05:52 PM
Re: WDFW Director on MA10 Closure
[Re: Met'lheadMatt]
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It's a case of the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Tribal slots are a 600 mil monster in washington annually, with revenue like that ontop of the other gaming. We have created deep pocket beasts.
The only way to bring equality to the table is using those slots as a nego tool. At the present time they have exclusive rights to them and the cash cow they create, but if the State would let every bowling ally, hotel, restraunte ect have them, or the threat of..... It may shed a different light in thier eyes. But allowing them the gaming monoply, to financially support there cause, they will eventually go after everything else. You don't really think that the politicians would kill the goose that lays golden eggs, do you?
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