#928890 - 05/02/15 04:26 PM
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Volunteer at the school , do home work with your kids every night , be the change you bitch about. I do, I am! I think that's the point of this thread, to discuss our collective experiences.
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#928891 - 05/02/15 04:32 PM
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That's great. Everyone should know their kids teachers, what their background is along with their strengths and weaknesses.
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#928892 - 05/02/15 04:35 PM
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Streamer, Thanks for helping to unravel this a bit. One complaint I've heard from parents, students and teachers ( a lot of teachers) is how FAST they have to teach the material and then move on. There seems to be a speed-vs-need approach. Many students haven't grasped the current concept yet the teacher moves on to the next. Which is a major bi.tch when it comes to math.
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#928894 - 05/02/15 04:38 PM
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Dan, Good story and I can absolutely picture it.
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#928905 - 05/02/15 07:46 PM
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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Chuck, I don't think you're understanding what Common Core is. It is standards that are developed through an evidenced based testing system that is also internationally benchmarked, meaning it is on par with what is being taught in other countries. The problem isn't with the material itself, it is with the lack of rigorous intensity and additional strategies used to teach the material. Common Core is not strategies, and the problem is not with Common Core. Dan, Physically you may not reach the top floor, but cognitively I know you do. You clearly have no understanding of how the educational system works, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt and try to explain since I know you aren't as stupid as EVO or dwatkins. If there is one thing people should take away from this it's that Common Core does not dictate how teachers teach material to students. Teaching strategies for understanding the material is left up to the discretion of individual teachers. This is where the problem lies; often students learn a variety of strategies for getting answers (particularly with math) instead of focusing on a single traditional way, and learning it through vigorous repetition until it becomes second nature. Valuable time is lost in vigorous repetition because teachers are focusing too much time trying to accommodate all student learning styles by teaching a variety of strategies. This is the problem, and it has almost nothing to do with Common Core. Piper gave the most fitting example of this. so here's a little update...
Levi came home last night and told me, "hey dad, today they taught us how to do it the way you taught me!"
basically the school wasted the time of 3/4 the kids in the room for more than two days trying to teach the "common core" to the other 1/4 of the class...
So anyway, Dan, the reason we don't measure up to the rest of the world is for a variety of reasons. We pay our teachers [Bleeeeep!] salaries, so nobody of academic excellence or intelligence wants those jobs. The people who should be teaching our kids are working in other sectors that pay much better $$$ for their smarts. Also, like I had mentioned earlier, we are the only country in the world that is legally required by law to educate everyone regardless of any of the factors mentioned in my previous post. This is a costly endeavor, is also one reason why teacher pay sucks, and why much time is diverted away from focusing on teaching in one specific way. Administration and districts poorly spending tax dollars plays a big role in it as well and is an entirely different issue unrelated to Common Core but I digress. As far as myself and my wife both not being credible sources is also a testament to your lack of understanding. I work closely with school systems in the development of Individualized Education Plans, and require extensive use of statistical analysis in my day to day work to establish measurable goals and progress monitor. My Master of Science degree speaks to this. In working with children in an outpatient counseling setting, I work with children in home and focus on counseling and behavior analysis. What I observe are many kids with [Bleeeeep!] home lives that do not have all of their basic needs met, and then are expected to be on par in learning with children who have parents that feed them, put a roof over their heads, love them, and help them with their homework if needed. You would be surprised how many parents don't do any of these things. My wife has a better understanding of Common Core because it gives her the framework of what her students must learn to do. It is the material, and not the strategies, which you would know if you actually spent 5 minutes researching it. And if you want something warm and fuzzy go ahead and pound your fist into sand and stick it you know where. I know you are a lot more intelligent than you are sounding. Matt lol You apparently aren't any smarter than you're sounding. I taught failing kids for 1 hour a day for 25 bucks a week, and then they weren't failing any longer. But do tell your story again so we can feel warm and fuzzy about our expensive, failing school system. You can pound sand yourself, Streamer. I researched Common Core thoroughly when it was failing my kids and then stepped in myself to make sure they weren't the victims of it and attitudes like yours. I don't give a sh!t what you think about it, the results speak for themselves.
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#928915 - 05/02/15 09:27 PM
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Dan, You're talking in absolute based upon your subjective experience, which is anecdotal at best. There is a mound of evidence that supports Common Core standards. Why you insist on objecting to that is beyond me and makes you look silly. I explained to you what it is and what it is not. It clearly isn't even worthy of discussion based on your responses you posted to my explanations. You're also insinuating my support of the expensive school systems we have now, which couldn't be further from the truth. Did you even read everything I wrote? Hell... tutoring for only a few hours each week to pay for my beer expenses sounds like a pretty good deal to me... if only schools could afford doing that anymore. The one thing I will agree with you on is that education was better back prior to my generation (again plenty of evidence to support this as well) but the way of life back then was also better, and there weren't as many [Bleeeeep!] ups, complications, or special interests interfering with children's education. It also had little or nothing to do with Common Core standards, and plenty to do with much of what I had mentioned earlier. If you want further explanations, feel free to jump in my boat this fall and we'll float the river I ran into you on a few years back. I have plenty of beer to go around. Matt
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#928951 - 05/03/15 10:16 AM
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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Matt, I apologize if I came across as a dick - like I do sometimes. I understand what Common Core is - it's common. I'm not interested in commonalities, and schools shouldn't be, either. IMO, they should identify high achievers early on, and segregate them to learn at the pace they are equipped to learn at. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a base of knowledge required for anyone to meet graduation requirements, what I'm saying is simply that future Nobel Laureates should not be doing the same things in school as future welders, salesmen, and truck drivers. This is the Common Core view of math, and it sounds just like the corporate crap-lingo I hear at work every day, floated by senior management dillholes who think neato terms like "leverage our synergies" are more important than heads-down-getting-work-done work. They probably had 17 meetings, too, to decide "leverage our synergies" is what they should say. Mathematics The mathematics standards mandate the teaching of eight specific principles:[4]
Make sense of problems and persevere in solving them Reason abstractly and quantitatively Construct viable arguments and critique the reasoning of others Model with mathematics Use appropriate tools strategically Attend to precision Look for and make use of structure Look for and express regularity in repeated reasoningThis is not the way to have the US regain its strength in education, IMO. Cutting through crap like this and facing the reality that we've been too busy playing grabass to provide kids with quality education. Teachers don't call parents to the carpet for not making sure homework gets done, poor teachers aren't shown the door and their salaries used to increase the pay of good teachers - the education system is just a huge, dysfunctional mess and Common Core isn't going to change it. I hate to be such a pessimist, but it comes from many years IN school and many years of having kids in school. If we jump in a boat and go fishing, I'd rather NOT talk schools and Common Core because it bums me out. You'll find I'm not nearly such a dick when I just fish, and leave subjects like this out of it.  I wish you and your wife luck in your endeavors, I just wish the folks the run the operation made it easier on both of you. You have my respect and admiration for what you guys do - I hope your jobs don't turn you into a cynical pessimist - like me.
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#929114 - 05/05/15 11:56 AM
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only an idiot calls someone else stupid when they have no clue about said person...
my friends have all been bitching about this too (the ones with kids).. alot of them did the exact same thing as Piper, taught them the real way to do math...
CC will only divide students/teachers more, and create more of a hassle for teachers that get paid nothing, while doing more work for nothing....
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#929116 - 05/05/15 12:09 PM
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Only a fool quits learning.
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#929117 - 05/05/15 12:14 PM
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very true, people think people are stupid for asking questions, that they dont know anything because they are doing so....
a person who has stopped asking questions has failed, you can never learn everything, ever....
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#929166 - 05/06/15 07:17 AM
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You can learn without asking questions.
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#929172 - 05/06/15 08:49 AM
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You can learn without asking questions.
but you can't get a job unless you ask for one...
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#929176 - 05/06/15 09:35 AM
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#929289 - 05/07/15 09:54 AM
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Graduated school over 40 years ago, and my youngest graduated HS before any of this mandated "Common Core" BS was instituted in the local schools. Can't even imagine how challenging it is for both elementary and HS aged students in today's world.
The kids today do their learning in an environment with far more social, and technical pressure than most of us ever had to deal with.
I was taught the traditional method of doing basic math, and did OK with it, but after awhile (like 5th grade) I learned a better method (for me) on my own. Surprisingly, it's a modified version of what they now call Common Core.
But, just because it woks for me doesn't mean other kids are going to grasp the same concepts as easily. Hell, took me several years before I could do the addition, subtraction and division in my head much easier than I could do that long, drawn out method on paper.
In the image Chuck posted on the 2nd, I would have calculated it (in my head) as: Problem is 243-87. OK, 243-100 = 143. Add back in 13 to balance it out and you get 156.
Works for me..BUT, I still think they should teach the traditional way, as not all kids think in the same processes, and the traditional way is bulletproof. Teach a method that works for all, and then if the kid is capable of developing an advanced method of processing the same info, then great for them.
Teaching the old way means "no child gets left behind" because they are unable to grasp the concept.
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#929293 - 05/07/15 10:02 AM
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Me too but I would have added 20% for overhead and profit.
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#929344 - 05/07/15 04:22 PM
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The old bitch is a prime example of why our schools are failing today. She should be knee humped by a pack of pit bulls.
Police: Teacher lowered autistic boy head-first into trash By Associated Press Published: May 7, 2015 at 9:57 AM PDT
Print Email Police: Teacher lowered autistic boy head-first into trash This undated photo released by the Cobb County (Ga.) Sheriff's Department shows Mary Katherine Pursley in Cobb County, Ga. MARIETTA, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia special education teacher is accused of cruelty to children after police say she held an autistic boy upside-down by his legs and lowered him head-first into a trash can.
An arrest warrant says Mary Katherine Pursley told the second-grader that if he had "trashy behavior" like the Sesame Street character Oscar the Grouch, he would go "to the trash can."
Cobb County School District police state in the warrant that another employee witnessed Pursley place the boy into the trash can at Mount Bethel Elementary School outside Atlanta on April 30.
Cobb County Schools spokeswoman Jennifer Gates says Pursley is on administrative leave with pay.
Cobb County Jail records show she faces a felony charge of first-degree cruelty to children. Jail records list no attorney for her.
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#929440 - 05/08/15 08:35 AM
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I'm starting to understand common core now... don't teach kids in high school so that when they get to college they have to pay for the education that they should have gotten in high school... 75% of high school grads not ready for college A huge new study that followed 100,000 Oregon high school graduates to community college finds that 75 percent have to take non-credit remedial classes when they get there. Poor academic readiness, not students' race or income, explained why they had to take high school- or middle school-level classes when they got to community college, according to the study, done for the national Institute of Education Sciences by Portland-based researcher Michelle Hodera. The most common deficits were in math, she found. Nearly two-thirds of all high school graduates who went straight to community college had to take remedial math, with most of them testing into an introductory algebra class. Those students have to pay for and pass three terms worth of math before they can start college-level work. So it's not surprising that the study found that fewer than one-quarter of them ever get to and pass a single college math class.
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