#786505 - 09/18/12 03:27 AM
Re: odd wound in summer steelhead
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Doc! I see it! No wonder you're the Keen Eye Doc! I believe!
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#786508 - 09/18/12 05:38 AM
Re: odd wound in summer steelhead
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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I abhor the PC descriptor "Asian".
WHY?
Because it's so dam NON-descript. I mean what's the point?
"Asian" technically encompasses the Middle East... That'd be yer Arabs and towel head brown-skinned Asians. Funny we call it the Middle East when it's really SW Asia.
It also includes white folks east of the Ural Range, yer pasty blue eyed Rusky Asians to the north.
Then there's all them southcentral "stani" Asians.... the Afghan's, the Paki's, the Kazak's, Uzbek's, and all the others hardly anyone remembers.
And there's yer Hindu Asians that make up a 1/4 of the world population.
Then there's all the slanty eyed Ornamental Asiansto the southeast.... which is what folks really mean to say when they say "Asian". WTF is wrong with just saying Oriental.... dammit it's what we are. But no, unlike Achewter, we have to dance around it with PC BS. Even Ornamental is considered too broad a label by the folks that actually live there.
I mean there's yer northern yellow white Ornamentals... Mongols, Chinks (Coley didn't like China-man), Japs, and Koreans.
Then there's yer southern brown skinned Ornamentals like me... Viet, Thai,Cambodian, Laotian, Filipino, and to some extent Indonesians.... that look more and more like aboriginal Australians as you move further down the island chain toward the land down under.
How can a label that technically describes such a HUGE diversity of people groups be applied to just a small minority ???
Utterly pointless.
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#786509 - 09/18/12 05:40 AM
Re: odd wound in summer steelhead
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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OK sorry for the rant.... back to our regularly scheduled programming.
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#786517 - 09/18/12 09:52 AM
Re: odd wound in summer steelhead
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River Nutrients
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Not to continue to beat a dead horse but the tooth arrangement of each lamprey species is different.
The two species that a local steelhead might encounter are either the Pacific or river lamprey. Neither of which have a tooth arrangement that looks lile the one pictured (sea lamprey??).
Curt
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#786561 - 09/18/12 01:02 PM
Re: odd wound in summer steelhead
[Re: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D]
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Dick Nipples
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The fact that Doc just responded seriously to a Big Lebowski quote is farking hillarious to me. Fish on... Todd
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#786565 - 09/18/12 01:18 PM
Re: odd wound in summer steelhead
[Re: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D]
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+1 funny chit
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#821251 - 02/07/13 10:23 PM
Re: odd wound in summer steelhead
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Wonder which one of these conjoined 'hos will win the reabsorption game?
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#821254 - 02/07/13 10:25 PM
Re: odd wound in summer steelhead
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Dick Nipples
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My guess is that neither of them will win, unless you mean "win" by being lunch almost immediately to the first predator that swims by, in which case they'll both win simultaneously!
Fish on...
Todd
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#821329 - 02/08/13 12:49 AM
Re: odd wound in summer steelhead
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 05/10/09
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Doc you better make a mold out of that
Double stacked alevin
Sure to catch fish.
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#821368 - 02/08/13 08:27 AM
Re: odd wound in summer steelhead
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Fry
Registered: 09/02/10
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Loc: East County
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First thread in awhile worth reading thanks. So would that be two punches on my card or do I have to share it with the nets.
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#939697 - 09/24/15 12:45 PM
Re: odd wound in summer steelhead
[Re: eugene1]
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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One more thing Twitch,
Is this twin absorption normal in native steelhead or is it a hatchery phenomenon?
Also, what causes it... two embryos get too close and join up or blastomere identity problems (like human identical twins)? I'm guessing the two fish are identical genetically, but we could do some genotyping to find out if no one has looked before.
Best, I guess we'll find out soon enough....
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#939705 - 09/24/15 04:22 PM
Re: odd wound in summer steelhead
[Re: eyeFISH]
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Spawner
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I guess we'll find out soon enough.... +1
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#939734 - 09/24/15 08:00 PM
Re: odd wound in summer steelhead
[Re: eugene1]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 03/06/01
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Really cool thread, and some great twin imagery. Thanks you guys.
I'm with Smalma on this one though. You won't have external evidence of tooth marks on a healed old scar which grew scales over the top of it. The rescaled surface is going to hide your Chinaman. The pattern depicted in the later image is on a smooth non-scaled surface, so it really won't have the same healed appearance. Also absence of deeper abnormality seems to kill the twin theory.
I vote lamprey mark. Either way, cool case.
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#939741 - 09/24/15 09:17 PM
Re: odd wound in summer steelhead
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Repeat Spawner
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Welcome to the future of affected Hanford radiation leaching or possibly Fukogima. I would suspect we may see some 100 lbers show up soon in PS?
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#939775 - 09/25/15 11:07 AM
Re: odd wound in summer steelhead
[Re: eyeFISH]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 07/18/08
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This is a healed lamprey wound. I've seen hundreds in various states of healing from fresh to completely healed and "re-scaled" or "re-skinned", much like the OP's pic.
No way you can see this upside down (fresh) pattern once the re-scaling has started. Notice that the pic of the pattern is on a scaleless segment of the fish, near the operculum - probably the only reason it remained visible.
Edited by JustBecause (09/25/15 11:10 AM)
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