#958190 - 06/01/16 03:18 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
[Re: The Moderator]
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With all the new tools (DNA, etc) why is the model using "dated" data and models fisheries that are not current practice? I don't think the data is outdated. The tribes or the state has the data. WDFW is outdated on their models/science and seems to be a bit lacking in the ability to get them updated. The talent is there and in place, but generally their ideas are squashed by upper management. Last I heard the dataset used for forecast modeling was from 1998.
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#958192 - 06/01/16 04:24 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
[Re: Carcassman]
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I have heard that at some professors (and probably a few employees) do not recommend working for WDFW if you are talented.
Using the wayback again, when Curt and I started out one could reasonably aspire to the directorship or other high position as one worked their way up.
How many in leadership positions in WDFW started their careers there versus imports? "The beatings will continue until morale improves." Mantra: "Do more with less" very quickly it becomes "Do less with less." etc. etc. etc. etc. Not a fun place to be right now in terms of personal fulfillment.
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#958203 - 06/01/16 07:46 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
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My Waders are Moist
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I have heard that at some professors (and probably a few employees) do not recommend working for WDFW if you are talented.
Using the wayback again, when Curt and I started out one could reasonably aspire to the directorship or other high position as one worked their way up.
How many in leadership positions in WDFW started their careers there versus imports? Talent makes people nervous, not excited. It makes you a target. That has been my experience in 12 years of working my ass off with pretty much nothing to show for it. Too many older folks have no clue how fuvked the next generations are. If that shocks you about WDFW than you are straight ignorant because this country is broken. I would pretty much march into the jaws of death for someone who treated me with respect but they never have and they never will because hard workers are janitors in the eyes of the managing class. If only they gave those drug tests to the managers. Wouldn't that be a hoot! And BTW, I am highly educated and always end up doing blind dumb labor that nobody wants to do even if it wasn't what I was hired for simply because I can lift well over 100 pounds.
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#958209 - 06/01/16 08:15 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
[Re: Jason Beezuz]
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I have heard that at some professors (and probably a few employees) do not recommend working for WDFW if you are talented.
Using the wayback again, when Curt and I started out one could reasonably aspire to the directorship or other high position as one worked their way up.
How many in leadership positions in WDFW started their careers there versus imports? Talent makes people nervous, not excited. It makes you a target. That has been my experience in 12 years of working my ass off with pretty much nothing to show for it. Too many older folks have no clue how fuvked the next generations are. If that shocks you about WDFW than you are straight ignorant because this country is broken. I would pretty much march into the jaws of death for someone who treated me with respect but they never have and they never will because hard workers are janitors in the eyes of the managing class. If only they gave those drug tests to the managers. Wouldn't that be a hoot! And BTW, I am highly educated and always end up doing blind dumb labor that nobody wants to do even if it wasn't what I was hired for simply because I can lift well over 100 pounds. Yes folks we have another WINNER tonight! Read and Weep! Just collecting my paycheck boss... BTW I know all to well as my best friend/mentor worked for CDF&G for 35+ years and told me he had to hold his nose and thoughts until it made him ill. What a sad statement!
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#958210 - 06/01/16 08:27 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
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My Waders are Moist
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And the saddest part is that many bosses want as their choice employee someone to break the rules with and get drunk with during lunch; someone who won't hold them accountable. They want their employees to be their buddy. This means that the people who get promoted and pulled into the inner circle are the fuvkoffs who are good at posturing but usually are just getting in the way of getting the work done.
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#958253 - 06/02/16 11:45 AM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
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Pretty good summary there, Paker. The budget cuts at WDFW became a talent windfall for NMFS, and definitely not a good thing for WDFW. I still hear about low morale at WDFW, especially from biologists who took positions at other agencies. I really hope the Commission and Unsworth can turn things around. And turning things around will mean focusing Departmental efforts towards the constituents who pay most of the agency's freight. Succinct!
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#958262 - 06/02/16 12:43 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
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And the saddest part is that many bosses want as their choice employee someone to break the rules with and get drunk with during lunch; someone who won't hold them accountable. They want their employees to be their buddy. This means that the people who get promoted and pulled into the inner circle are the fuvkoffs who are good at posturing but usually are just getting in the way of getting the work done. You must be a real hoot at the company parties. I don't know what industry in which you work but based on your posts, I'd make a change.
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#958358 - 06/03/16 04:50 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
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Talked to Fisheries at DFW this afternoon, still no word on hte NOAA permit, guy said "Call toward the end of next week". Tofino, anyone??
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#958553 - 06/08/16 10:53 AM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
[Re: Sky-Guy]
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Still no word from NOAA as of Weds AM.
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#958556 - 06/08/16 11:54 AM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
[Re: Sky-Guy]
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When would the next tribal fishery requiring a permit begin? That may give you an idea of when NOAA will get the permit done.
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#958573 - 06/08/16 03:15 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
[Re: wsu]
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When would the next tribal fishery requiring a permit begin? That may give you an idea of when NOAA will get the permit done. Tulalip has been netting the bay 5 days a week every week since the BIA gave the go ahead. In fact, nets are in right now as I type this.
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#958577 - 06/08/16 04:24 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
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CARcassman---got a link to that DFW prediction???
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#958579 - 06/08/16 04:58 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
[Re: Sky-Guy]
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Terry - Saw it Mark Yuasa"s 6/7 Seattle Times article.
GLU - Do you know what they boundaries are for the tribal Bubble fishery?
Local residents are telling me that they are fishing out to Priest Point (outside of the bubble area for the recreational fishers.
Curt
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#958600 - 06/08/16 08:32 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
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