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#963860 - 09/06/16 11:12 AM Re: Poachin' [Re: MPM]
BroodBuster Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 07/11/04
Posts: 3113
Loc: Bothell, Wa
I don't see what the problem is. Just go spend 100k on a boat, 60k on a truck, and follow the runs up and down the coast.

As Tony Floor reminded us (while channeling Trump), "It'll be great. Just wonderful fishing opportunities. Everybody will catch fish!"

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#963877 - 09/06/16 12:56 PM Re: Poachin' [Re: MPM]
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Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7412
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
For whatever reason, WA caters to the boat-based angler. Probably because it can be very mobile and (maybe) it brings in a lot more tax dollars than a walk-and-wade.

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#963880 - 09/06/16 01:09 PM Re: Poachin' [Re: MPM]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
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It may be because the boating industry lobby has a few more lobbying dollars than the hiking boot lobby does wink

Fish on...

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#963917 - 09/06/16 03:52 PM Re: Poachin' [Re: MPM]
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Loc: Carkeek Park
I'll certainly miss fishing the beaches for coho over the next few months.

I really feels sorry for places like John's and Ted's. They must be losing a lot of sales with no Edmonds or Everett coho derbies this year, or any coho fishing for that matter.
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#963946 - 09/06/16 05:00 PM Re: Poachin' [Re: skyrise]
Paul Smenis Offline
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Loc: In a drift boat...
Originally Posted By: skyrise
Agree they should put up notices.



They did.
WFDW.com
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#963947 - 09/06/16 05:01 PM Re: Poachin' [Re: jgreen]
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Loc: In a drift boat...
Originally Posted By: jgreen
Im not advocating poaching, but at this point you have to understand peoples "I don't give a sh!t attitude".







No I don't.
Isn't that kind of thinking what got us in this mess to begin with?
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#963973 - 09/06/16 08:36 PM Re: Poachin' [Re: Paul Smenis]
MPM Offline
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Registered: 12/09/08
Posts: 766
Loc: Seattle, WA
Originally Posted By: War-Paint
Originally Posted By: skyrise
Agree they should put up notices.



They did.
WFDW.com
It's your job as a fisher person to know the rules and regs. of the area that you intend to fish.


Everyone should read and understand the regs. Sure. But an ever changing pamphlet that can only be understood to mean a river is closed if you read multiple pages in conjunction with each other is simply not as effective as a sign at the access point saying "river closed to all fishing until November 1."

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#963981 - 09/06/16 09:39 PM Re: Poachin' [Re: MPM]
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Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
I doubt there is enough staff to not only post the closures but to take them down when it changes.

Plus, WDFW tries (at least used to) to keep waters open for something. The pamphlet is so thick and complicated because they are trying to maximize the chance to fish. Since most of PS and its tributaries have some sort of ESA-listed fish the easiest thing to do is close it all down. Open only of there are no listed fish in that water.

Makes the pamphlet pretty small, saves a lot on printing costs too.

Writing regs is not easy. Or should I say writings regs that are enforceable, offer opportunity, offer needed protections, and are easily understood by the public are hard to write.

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#963984 - 09/06/16 10:15 PM Re: Poachin' [Re: MPM]
OceanSun Offline
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Registered: 07/01/04
Posts: 1303
Loc: North Creek
Writing regs is not easy. Or should I say writings regs that are enforceable, offer opportunity, offer needed protections, and are easily understood by the public are hard to write.

Agreed, it's not easy - but it is doable. Finding the right 2 or 3 people to write the regs will make it easier on thousands of other people, fishermen, wardens, judges, etc.

And when they're done with that, they need to rewrite our tax codes. {;>)
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#963985 - 09/06/16 10:36 PM Re: Poachin' [Re: MPM]
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Registered: 04/20/09
Posts: 1269
Loc: WaRshington
Haven't you guy's heard??

.... The flounder game is off the charts this time of year.

Grab some nightcrawlers and get afterit.
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#963991 - 09/07/16 07:24 AM Re: Poachin' [Re: MPM]
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Registered: 01/27/15
Posts: 4549
"I doubt there is enough staff to not only post the closures but to take them down when it changes."

Good God.
They must all be in the break room then.
The Olympia office alone has more people then required to perform ALL the states duties if they would work.

Throw in all the regional offices/manpower and it's a Chit Show at best.

That amount of people could build a river a day!!!

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#963997 - 09/07/16 08:37 AM Re: Poachin' [Re: Paul Smenis]
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Registered: 04/20/09
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Loc: WaRshington
Originally Posted By: War-Paint
WFDW.com


Considering wdfw.com is an available domain and goes nowhere I will assume you yourself have no clue what the reg book says.

wdfw.wa.gov
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#964004 - 09/07/16 09:59 AM Re: Poachin' [Re: MPM]
eldplanko Offline
Fry

Registered: 06/27/12
Posts: 31
Call 911, ask for the WSP dispatch... They're the ones that dispatch the gamewardens anyways which is why they want you to call 911.

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#964008 - 09/07/16 10:30 AM Re: Poachin' [Re: Carcassman]
MPM Offline
Spawner

Registered: 12/09/08
Posts: 766
Loc: Seattle, WA
As someone who drafts legal language all the time, I am sympathetic to the people writing the regs. But I'm even more sympathetic to the people with no legal training who are trying to figure out when/where they can fish. Fishing shouldn't just be for people with high verbal IQ.

Anyway, you could post a notice on every major access point on the Snoho/Sky/Snoqualmie system in a day (although I have no idea what kind of red tape you would have to go through to get the wording of the notice approved). You could probably just quote the particular portions of the alread-approved regs that apply to the section in question.

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#964014 - 09/07/16 11:23 AM Re: Poachin' [Re: GodLovesUgly]
spoonage Offline
Parr

Registered: 02/17/09
Posts: 48
Loc: Whatcom
Originally Posted By: GodLovesUgly
Originally Posted By: War-Paint
WFDW.com


wdfw.wa.gov



There are actually a few guys out there, flip-phone/no phone type guys who never were/neverwanttobe on a computer, who could give a rats azz about any of that "dot com bs". A few less and less each year I suppose. I wonder how many old gents will pass this year without being able to catch a fish in their usual and accustomed way for the past 70+ years. Like one of my older (83!) buddies says, "it's these guys' plan to make all of us poachers."

If I was in that age range I'd probably be trying to find a place to plunk for silvers now.

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