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#964039 - 09/07/16 10:11 PM Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries
Sky-Guy Offline
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Today I received a number of notifications that several central puget sound tribes will begin netting Coho in spite of the fact that their positions at NOF and PMFC were that there were not enough coho to allow any fisheries for any party this season. Specifically, thus far I have received notice from NWIFC through the WDFW that the Muckleshoot, Point No Point Treaty Council, Suquamish, Swinomish, Lummi, Skokomish, Lower Elwah Klallam will conduct Coho fisheries in Marine, estuary, canals and rivers.

Here are just some of the notices received today:

><((((º> ><((((º>***SUQUAMISH TRIBE FISHING REGULATION*** ><((((º> ><((((º>
FILING ORGANIZATION: SUQUAMISH TRIBE
AFFECTED ORGANIZATIONS: WDFW, MIT, TUL, NWIFC, VTS
REGULATION NUMBER: 16-23F
REGULATION SUPERCEDE/MODIFIED: NONE
DATE ADOPTED: SEPTEMBER 7, 2016
*************************************************************************************************************
EFFECTIVE DATES: SEPT. 7 th – SEPT. 23 rd, 2016
FISHERY TYPE: TEST FISHERY
SPECIES: COHO SALMON
CATCH AREA: 10 (THREE SITES: MEADOW PT.; PT. WELLS; PT. MONROE)
*************************************************************************************************************
LEGAL GEAR: 2-3 GILLNET VESSELS/2-3 NIGHTS/3 WEEKS
MAX. LENGTH OF 330 FATHOMS, 5 INCH MIN. STRETCH MESH
FISHING SCHEDULE BY GEAR:
OPEN: 8:00 PM WEDNESDAY, SEPT. 7 th
CLOSED: 8:00 AM THURSDAY, SEPT. 8 th
REOPEN: 8:00 PM THURSDAY, SEPT. 8th
CLOSED: 8:00 AM FRIDAY, SEPT. 9th
OPEN: 8:00 PM TUESDAY, SEPT. 13th
CLOSED: 8:00 AM WEDNESDAY, SEPT. 14th
REOPEN: 8:00 PM WEDNESDAY, SEPT. 14th
CLOSED: 8:00 AM THURSDAY, SEPT. 15th
OPEN: 8:00 PM TUESDAY, SEPT. 20th
CLOSED: 8:00 AM WEDNESDAY, SEPT. 21st
REOPEN: 8:00 PM WEDNESDAY, SEPT. 21st
CLOSED: 8:00 AM THURSDAY, SEPT. 22nd
OTHER RESTRICTIONS:
TEST VESSELS WILL OPERATE WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS OF MEADOW PT, PT MONROE, AND/OR PT WELLS. ALL FISH WILL BE LANDED AT SHILSHOLE BAY MARINA AND SAMPLEDBY FISHERIES STAFF. RESULTS ARE UTILIZED WEEKLY TO PROVIDE IN-SEASON INFORMATION TO ASSIST THE CO-MANAGERS IN UPDATING THE RUNSIZE OF SOUTH PUGET SOUND COHO STOCKS.
SIGNED: JONATHAN OLEYAR, FISHERIES BIOLOGIST, SUQUAMISH TRIBE: 360-394-8445

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21,23,29,
/ZIP
Dr. Howard F. Horton
Dept. of Fish and Wildlife
Oregon State University
Corvallis, OR 97331-3803+
FILING ORGANIZATION : MUCKLESHOOT TRIBE
AFFECTED ORGANIZATIONS : NWIFC/TRIBES/WDFW
REGULATION NUMBER : 161721
DATE ADOPTED : 7 SEPTEMBER, 2016
REG. SUPERCEDED/MODIFIED : NONE
CATCH AREA : 10F - UPPER SHIP CANAL & LAKE UNION
FISHERY TYPE : COMMERCIAL
SPECIES : COHO
LEGAL GEAR : GILLNET ONLY 5" MIN TO 5 ½“MAX STRETCH MESH
LAKE UNION 6OOFT MAX NET LENGHT; SHIP CANAL
300FT MAX NET LENGTH
EFFECTIVE DATE : 11 SEPTEMBER, 2016
FISHING SCHEDULE : OPEN 12 NOON SUNDAY
CLOSED 12 NOON WEDNESDAY
NOTICE
RESTRICTIONS : SEE BELOW
1. CLOSE WEST OF THE BALLARD BRIDGE
2. CLOSED EAST OF A LINE FROM THE BLINKING LIGHT AT WEBSTER’S POINT DUE
SOUTH TO THE 520 BRIDGE.
3. EACH BOAT CAN FISH A MAXIMUM OF 1200 FEET OF NET.
4. FISHERS MUST PICK AT LEAST EVERY SIX HOURS
5. TO RESERVE A FISHING SITE THE BOAT OPERATER MUST BE PHYSICALLY ON THE
BOAT W/ ALL FISHING GEAR AND CAN ONLY RESERVE THE SITE A MAXIMUM OF 3
HOURS PRIOR TO THE FISHERY BEING OPENED.
JUSTIFICATION : HARVESTABLE SURPLUS
SIGNED, MIKE MAHOVLICH, FISHERIES BIOLOGIST
MMMM

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><((((º> ><((((º> ***SUQUAMISH TRIBE FISHING REGULATION*** ><((((º> ><((((º>
FILING ORGANIZATION: SUQUAMISH TRIBE
AFFECTED ORGANIZATIONS: WDFW, NWIFC, MIT, VTS, COE
REGULATION NUMBER: 16-20F
REGULATION SUPERCEDE/MODIFIED: NONE
DATE ADOPTED: SEPT 7, 2016
*********************************************************************************************
EFFECTIVE DATE: SEPT. 11, 2016
FISHERY TYPE: COMMERCIAL
SPECIES: COHO SALMON
CATCH AREA(S): 10F (LAKE WASHINGTON SHIP CANAL)
And a portion of Area10 (inner- Shilshole Bay: that portion of Area 10 east of a line from Meadow Pt to West Pt. to the entrance of the Ship Canal)
EXPECTED EFFORT: 10 - 20 FISHERS
*********************************************************************************************
LEGAL GEAR: IN AREA 10F:GILLNETS; 2 NETS TOTAL ARE ALLOWED PER FISHER IN THE LOWER SHIP CANAL BELOW THE BN RR BRIDGE; MAX. STRETCH MESH OF 5 INCHES; MAXIMUM LENGTH OF 200 FT. ON ALL GILLNETS ABOVE and BELOW the BN RR BRIDGE INSIDE the SHIP CANAL & 600’ on all OUTSIDE NETS (INNER SHILSHOLE BAY); 600 Ft MAX. LENGTH on BEACH SEINES
FISHING SCHEDULE: GILLNETS; BEACH SEINES:
OPEN: 12:00 Noon, Sunday, SEPT. 11th
Close: 12:00 Noon, Wednesday, SEPT. 14th
RESTRICTIONS:
1. Release all live WILD Chinook
2. An established rotational fishery is established for 2 fixed sites (one above Burlington Northern RR Bridge and one in the lower Ship Canal) and will be kept in a 24-hr running rotation which is updated and kept by an elected fisherman on the dock at Shilshole Marina (both sites would get Elder Priority on the rotation drawing order and is based on who is present at the dock). Rotational Fishery participants MUST be registered boat owners to be eligible to fish the 2 fixed sites. Fishing in the vicinity of any of the fixed sites would have to be at least 200 feet downstream of the net fishing at each site.
3. All fishers who wish to park their vehicles on A-dock must first check in with the Shilshole Marina office to register their vehicle and obtain a current marina parking decal.
4. No nets or garbage may be left behind either on A-dock or the tribal float w/ zero tolerance for drug/alcohol related behavior
5. Setnets shall not be attached to piers, docks, bulkheads or channel markers without prior permission of the owners or tribal Fisheries Department. Nets also must not block 2/3 of the wetted waterway or interfere with vessel traffic.
6. Each net must be attached to functional jacklights and a properly identified buoy ball which measures a minimum of 12” in diameter & be clearly labeled with the fisher’s identification number
SIGNED: JONATHAN OLEYAR, FISHERIES BIOLOGIST, SUQUAMISH TRIBE: 360-394-8445

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SQUAXIN ISLAND TRIBE
EMERGENCY REGULATION NO. ER-16-05
Regulation No. ER-16-05 Date: September 6th, 2016
Regs. No. Superseded/Modified: AR-16-02
Fishery Type: COHO - Commercial Fishery
Catch Area:
13D-1 Dana Passage
13D-2 Pickering Passage, (On & Off Reservation)
13D-3 Peale Passage (On Reservation)
13D-4 Southern Case Inlet
On/Off Reservation:ON/OFF
Effective Dates:
Open: 6 AM Saturday, September 10th, 2016
Open Until Further Notice
Days/Hours by Gear:
Beach Seines: Open 6 AM Saturday, September 10th, 2016.
Daily hours On and Off Reservation are 24 Hours/Day, 7 Days/Week
Maximum Length: 600 feet/ Mesh Size: 3 inch Minimum 4 inch Maximum
Set Nets: Open 4 PM Saturday, September 10th, 2016 Daily hours On and Off Reservation are 4 PM - 9 AM Daily, 7 Days/Week
(Dana 13D-1, Pickering 13D-2(On and Off Reservation), Peale 13D-3(On Reservation)
Maximum Length: 300 feet Minimum Stretch: 5 inches
(Southern Case Inlet 13D-4)
Maximum Length: 600 feet Minimum Stretch: 5 inches
Other Restrictions: Pickering Passage 13D-2- Closed areas for Commercial Coho Beach Seine and Set Net Fishing: the area extending from the Totten Inlet line from Glen Parkers Dock/Pilings to the Hammersley Inlet line at Arcadia Point. Set Nets have priority over Beach Seines to fish On Reservation 4PM to 9AM. Peale Passage 13D-3 - Closed areas for Commercial Set Net Fishing: Hartstene Oyster Company, Hartstene Island: AREAS H1, H2 and H3. No Set Nets may be attached
to any part of the Tribal Net Pens Complexes situated in Peale Passage. Case Inlet 13D-4- All waters of 13D South and East of a line extending from the Johnson Point Light to the Devil's Head Light are Closed.
Beach Seines release unmarked (wild) coho
JUSTIFICATION: Annual Commercial Harvest of Coho
In Accordance with the Squaxin Island Fishing Ordnance, This Regulation is hereby approved by Squaxin Island Tribal Council, Tuesday September 6th, 2016. Original signed regulation is on file with Squaxin Island Tribe Natural Resources Department.

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The list goes on and on, and on. It looks like any other coho season for the tribes so far.

I do recall Lorraine Loomis indicating that many tribes would forego their coho fishing this fall due the projected low numbers of Coho. That is, after all, why the entire Recreational fleet is currently off all water in Puget sound drainage and marine areas. The list above looks like most if not all the tribes are participating, and I'm not going to make this post a mile long with notifications that exist from several other tribes who are also coho fishing right now.

As these fisheries continue to be proposed, what will the department do?

If the Tribal Test fisheries show there are plenty of Coho for the tribes to continue to fish, will the recreational fleet get a crack at hatchery fish, at a minimum???

Are you happy now with the LOAF we ended up with this year??










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#964042 - 09/07/16 10:52 PM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Sky-Guy]
Todd Offline
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The State needs to open Puget Sound to sport hatchery coho retention immediately, and probably open the Sky and the Skagit, too.

Fish on...

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#964045 - 09/07/16 11:58 PM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Sky-Guy]
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#964048 - 09/08/16 07:06 AM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Sky-Guy]
deerlick Offline
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What a joke

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#964049 - 09/08/16 07:33 AM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Sky-Guy]
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River Nutrients

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Posts: 7428
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
The test fishery is hard to argue against. Tiny effort, small numbers taken, and it feeds and update. Been done that way for decades, throughout the region.

Flat out opening the commercial fisheries, though, seems to smell a bit ranker.

If these are not already in the LOAF, note the manner in which they occur. A regulation is adopted by the regulator and then shared. Would WDFW ever open a fishery before asking Tribal approval?

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#964050 - 09/08/16 07:47 AM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Sky-Guy]
FleaFlickr02 Offline
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Registered: 10/28/09
Posts: 3314
More dirty pool from the Tribes. Makes it pretty clear they're holding all the cards. Thank your ignorant neighbors that go to the casino every weekend and go out of their way to save $.20/gallon at the trading post gas pumps... and, of course, your local, corrupt elected officials.

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#964055 - 09/08/16 08:15 AM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Sky-Guy]
Steeldrifter Offline
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Registered: 02/23/08
Posts: 176
Loc: Pierce county
This should not come as a surprise. I expected the tribes to do business as usual. That's how they roll!

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#964058 - 09/08/16 08:46 AM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Sky-Guy]
Krijack Offline
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Registered: 06/03/06
Posts: 1533
Loc: Tacoma
Sky guy,
Is there anyway to find those releases on-line? I can not seem to find them anywhere.

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#964059 - 09/08/16 08:48 AM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Sky-Guy]
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The only card that anglers hold in this game is their license fees. As long as the state gets that, and uses it to produce salmon for harvest, the same song will be sung.

This state won't fund education, mental health, highway infrastructure. Take away the willing providers of fish for nets and you might get some movement on equitability.

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#964060 - 09/08/16 08:49 AM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Krijack]
Sky-Guy Offline
The Tide changed

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Loc: Everett
Krijack, sent you a PM
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#964061 - 09/08/16 08:50 AM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Business as usual.
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#964062 - 09/08/16 09:12 AM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Sky-Guy]
Krijack Offline
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Loc: Tacoma
Thanks Sky-guy.

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#964063 - 09/08/16 09:19 AM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Sky-Guy]
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It will be interesting to see what happens in the Nisqually and Snohomish fisheries. The state basically gave the Puyallups and Muckleshoots the right to all the coho in their fisheries, but the others do not seem to have any provision to open it up. I wonder if they will ignore the agreement and fish anyways if the numbers show sufficient numbers.

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#964065 - 09/08/16 09:23 AM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Sky-Guy]
OncyT Offline
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Registered: 02/06/08
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Originally Posted By: Sky-Guy
Today I received a number of notifications that several central puget sound tribes will begin netting Coho in spite of the fact that their positions at NOF and PMFC were that there were not enough coho to allow any fisheries for any party this season. Specifically, thus far I have received notice from NWIFC through the WDFW that the Muckleshoot, Point No Point Treaty Council, Suquamish, Swinomish, Lummi, Skokomish, Lower Elwah Klallam will conduct Coho fisheries in Marine, estuary, canals and rivers.

I know you probably meant to post a set of different regulations showing the tribes fishing in a number of areas, but it appears what you posted was only a regulation for a test fishery (no problem for me) and then 4 notices of the same Muckleshoot fishery in the Upper Ship Canal and Lake Union.

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#964066 - 09/08/16 09:38 AM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Thanks for catching that. I was C&P these from .pdf's and some did not work, so my previous cut repasted. I fixed it above, but several of the notifications are images and I cannot paste them in this format.
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#964069 - 09/08/16 09:49 AM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Krijack]
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Originally Posted By: Krijack

It will be interesting to see what happens in the Nisqually and Snohomish fisheries. I wonder if they will ignore the agreement and fish anyways if the numbers show sufficient numbers.


Doesn't look good as of last week from WDFW staff for opening this year, "but can be looked at next year."
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#964071 - 09/08/16 09:55 AM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Right now the Lake Washington fish counts show the numbers way above average. Total run was estimated at 4414 coho and by the 5th of september the number was 3853.

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#964081 - 09/08/16 11:33 AM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: ]
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Quote:

This is all wrong, there was nothing but skinny, depressed, starving coho coming from the ocean this year, how can this be ?


Where did you get that information from? From what a lot of guys found was Coho in numbers and in good condition. Keeping in mind numbers relative to the forecast. It has been Chinook that tanked from the git go so I am trying to figure out the disconnect.
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#964083 - 09/08/16 12:09 PM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Parr

Registered: 08/18/16
Posts: 44
Hey Sky-Guy can I also get the releases online? Much appreciated.

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#964084 - 09/08/16 12:12 PM Re: Their 50%: Central sound tribal Coho Fisheries [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Did anyone actually believe that the Indians GAF about conservation? Why would they not fish? There are no repercussions for them or any of the lawless things they do. There are 2 distinct classes of people in this state and 2 sets of completely different rules.

In the meantime expect to pay a lot more for a lot less while the Indians fu.ck this state into a barren wasteland and WE pay for it.
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