#967148 - 11/02/16 09:03 AM
Re: Upper Chehalis River Dam Moving Forward?
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River Nutrients
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The Chehalis dam is only feasible if we choose the California prerogative of gravity, where water flows uphill, toward money. There is no way this dam makes economic sense, even if the natural environment and natural resources are valued at zero. No offense to Chehalis and Centralia, but there aren't enough key resources to protect that economically offsets the huge cost of the project. If this is a Corps project, the local sponsor mush cough up 25% of the cost. If Lewis Co. residents got to vote on it, they would vote it down just because they are against taxes more than they want to pay for flood control that won't benefit the vast majority of residents. This is one main reason they created the Chehalis basin-wide task force, so that they can spread the cost out to include Thurston and Grays Harbor Counties as well.
I continue to question why it's unacceptable to have I-5 closed for 5 days once every 10 years, on average, due to flooding. What is the loss? There are alternative routes for interstate commerce that may add a couple hours to total travel time. At some point, the notion that the control of nature is possible, let alone economically feasible, needs to be vetted.
The true costs versus benefits of this debacle needs to be objectively analyzed.
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#967156 - 11/02/16 09:36 AM
Re: Upper Chehalis River Dam Moving Forward?
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Dick Nipples
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This project makes perfect sense to a couple of big landowners who stand to make a lot of money developing "flood lands" if they become "less floody"...and local politicians tend to like those kinds of guys, the rest of us and everything else be damned...and dammed.
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#967161 - 11/02/16 10:42 AM
Re: Upper Chehalis River Dam Moving Forward?
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River Nutrients
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The Chehalis dam is only feasible if we choose the California prerogative of gravity, where water flows uphill, toward money. There is no way this dam makes economic sense, even if the natural environment and natural resources are valued at zero. No offense to Chehalis and Centralia, but there aren't enough key resources to protect that economically offsets the huge cost of the project. If this is a Corps project, the local sponsor mush cough up 25% of the cost. If Lewis Co. residents got to vote on it, they would vote it down just because they are against taxes more than they want to pay for flood control that won't benefit the vast majority of residents. This is one main reason they created the Chehalis basin-wide task force, so that they can spread the cost out to include Thurston and Grays Harbor Counties as well.
I continue to question why it's unacceptable to have I-5 closed for 5 days once every 10 years, on average, due to flooding. What is the loss? There are alternative routes for interstate commerce that may add a couple hours to total travel time. At some point, the notion that the control of nature is possible, let alone economically feasible, needs to be vetted.
The true costs versus benefits of this debacle needs to be objectively analyzed.
Sg I agree that it makes no sense, and that's what tells me a few, rich a $$holes, looking to get richer, are behind it. As we've seen exemplified plenty of late, rich a$$holes tend to fare pretty well with our incorruptible legislators. Looking at the various alternatives, it's pretty easy to figure out what area is deemed "critical" for protection. Not surprisingly, the tenants on that area of land have names like Home Depot, Walmart, etc. The people that own that land are probably motivated to get those folks some new neighbors, to take advantage of the great savings that come with building in flood plains, all at the expense of the taxpayers in Lewis, Thurston, and Grays Harbor counties (oh yeah, also at the expense of native fish and wildlife). I think you may be underestimating the significance of I-5 being shut down for extended periods. Delays in the shipping business are costly, especially on the scale they occur when a major shipping route is blocked. I would venture a guess the people making the decisions will be more interested in what each alternative does to protect I-5 than what it does to protect local residents and businesses.
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#967175 - 11/02/16 12:40 PM
Re: Upper Chehalis River Dam Moving Forward?
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
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Dam it and pave it!!!!!!!
WDFW then wont have to justify why they no longer plant jackchit in it moving forward.
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#967303 - 11/03/16 01:37 PM
Re: Upper Chehalis River Dam Moving Forward?
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Port of Chehalis Shows Support for Dam Near Pe Ell Other News: Study to Focus on Stormwater Management Plan for Industrial Park Centralia Factory Outlets
Posted: Thursday, November 3, 2016 10:38 am By Justyna Tomtas / jtomtas@chronline.com | 0 comments Port of Chehalis commissioners approved a letter last week in support of Alternative One in the Department of Ecology’s draft Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement presenting options to reduce flooding and improve conditions for aquatic species. The letter strongly encouraged state officials to take actions to address flooding in the Chehalis Basin, and said Alternative One, which includes the construction of a dam near Pe Ell, appeared to be the best choice to reduce flood impacts in the local community.
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#967308 - 11/03/16 05:53 PM
Re: Upper Chehalis River Dam Moving Forward?
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Dah Rivah Stinkah Pink Mastah
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How about idiots quit building and developing in the mother [Bleeeeep!] flood plain? [Bleeeeep!]!
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#967309 - 11/03/16 06:00 PM
Re: Upper Chehalis River Dam Moving Forward?
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Dick Nipples
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It's typical...it's been farmland forever, someone gets it in their mind that cheap farmland that floods can be sold for a LOT of money to develop if it doesn't flood anymore...and then they socialize the costs to do it by getting the taxpayers to pay for a dam that hurts the taxpayers, but helps them.
County Commissioners see the increased tax revenue from having the land be more valuable, and throws the rest of the county under the bus for the benefit of the few developers.
Developers don't pay for it, get the benefits. The County Commissioners don't pay for it, get the benefits. Taxpayers pay for it, twice. First by paying for the project, then by paying for the environmental destruction it causes.
Go team.
Fish on...
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#967346 - 11/04/16 08:55 AM
Re: Upper Chehalis River Dam Moving Forward?
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
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I thought you guys said this would never happen?
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#967356 - 11/04/16 11:01 AM
Re: Upper Chehalis River Dam Moving Forward?
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
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Overpopulation and greed will prevail.
To think differently exposes ones liberal beliefs.
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#967579 - 11/08/16 11:49 AM
Re: Upper Chehalis River Dam Moving Forward?
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Three Time Spawner
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Most folks on this BB are thinking that economics, rational decision-making, and common sense will prevail.
If those are "liberal" beliefs, so be it.
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#967731 - 11/09/16 02:02 PM
Re: Upper Chehalis River Dam Moving Forward?
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
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Damn the swamp!!!
Trump 2016!!!!
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#967737 - 11/09/16 02:50 PM
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#967763 - 11/09/16 05:14 PM
Re: Upper Chehalis River Dam Moving Forward?
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Impeached X2
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Aside from Ports typically being tax-sucking leeches on citizens while never operating in the fiscal black...I'm trying to figure how to include the concepts of natural and logical consequences and that stupidity should hurt in my comments. Your views intrigue me, have you ever considered running for Thurston County Port Commissioner?
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#967814 - 11/10/16 09:48 AM
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