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#973764 - 02/23/17 02:45 PM Re: West End Bait Ban [Re: Get Bent]
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River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7410
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
The problem is not simply that there are more fishermen, or even less. There are more people. They need water, they need houses, they need food, they need power. How many of the PS watersheds that were so great in the 70s now are developed with houses, McMansions, and so on.

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#973766 - 02/23/17 03:37 PM Re: West End Bait Ban [Re: Get Bent]
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My Area code makes me cooler than you

Registered: 01/27/15
Posts: 4549
Plant fish........................Have fish.

Back in the hay days most of the hills were clear cut to the banks of the river. At least houses don't fill the rivers with sediment.

The difference today is the people we pay to provide fish don't plant fish.
Now they just cash checks and collect their union pension.

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#973783 - 02/23/17 08:49 PM Re: West End Bait Ban [Re: ]
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River Nutrients

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Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
The majority of steelhead spawning in the Green used to occur in the tribs. Last data I saw had almost all occurring in the mainstem. All that rearing habitat is un-used or under-used.

Data from the coast suggested that the early steelhead spawned in the tribs. The earlies have generally disappeared;

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#973801 - 02/24/17 10:05 AM Re: West End Bait Ban [Re: Get Bent]
BW Offline
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Registered: 04/04/00
Posts: 763
Loc: LAKEWOOD,WA,USA
Every body blames Bolt........ You should look into who the State Attorney General was at the time and find out how unprepared and arrogant he was during the trial. The tribes didn't win as much as he lost. He is the real reason we are in the fix we're in now.
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#973814 - 02/24/17 12:36 PM Re: West End Bait Ban [Re: Get Bent]
Smalma Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/25/01
Posts: 2844
Loc: Marysville
Myassisdragon-

My understanding of the steelhead situation on the Green generally match yours. Thought you and others might find the follow quotes taken from Enos Bradner's Northwest Angling published in 1950 chapter on Steelhead Rivers of Washington and the specific Green river discussion -

"Green River is the most heavily fished river in the Seattle area."

"Every possible drift is lined with anglers over a week-end and even on week days it is difficult to find a run devoid of fishermen."

"This river produced about 2,000 fish in 1947 and 1,750 in 1948" Note that information is from Game Department punch card reports.

"Although the river now opens in December the best fishing months are January and February." AS with most PS steelhead rivers the Green closed at the end of February during the 1940s and 1950s.

As a young angler learing the steelhead game during the early 1960s the common belief was that there was an early run of wild steelhead in late November and early December; these fish were typically larger than the typical Pautzkee pets. However following the Boldt decision and systematic scale sampling the vast majority of those so-called "natives" had scale patterns of hatchery fish. With the mass marking of the hatchery smolts in the mid-1980s virtual all those larger early steelhead had missing adipose fins.

Curt

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#973815 - 02/24/17 12:42 PM Re: West End Bait Ban [Re: ]
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River Nutrients

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Posts: 7410
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
That information on spawner distribution came from WDG/WDW/WDFW files of estimated escapements for the Green. Don't recall how far back it went but probably into the 79s, at least.

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#973822 - 02/24/17 12:55 PM Re: West End Bait Ban [Re: Get Bent]
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The Chosen One

Registered: 02/09/00
Posts: 14486
Loc: Tuleville
I wonder how long until fishing from a boat is prohibited on the OP?

Also, for those that haven't seen Bob's Facebook post, he's easily got to be in to double digits of fish today. Single angler, too.

I wonder how long until people realize that a single good guide on the OP will do more harm to wild fish in a single day than most people will do in a single season? There are several really good full time OP guides and a lot more so-so wanna be guides out there every single day......

Better restrict the guides, too.

Maybe start by a limited entry system as well as limited guide days on the rivers.....

Yeah, that will solve all the wild steelhead problems! Better do that next.

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#973823 - 02/24/17 01:06 PM Re: West End Bait Ban [Re: Get Bent]
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Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12766
SHEESH! Don't give 'em any more ideas, Paker.
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#973826 - 02/24/17 01:32 PM Re: West End Bait Ban [Re: The Moderator]
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Registered: 03/06/01
Posts: 1194
Loc: Gig Harbor, WA
Originally Posted By: paker
I wonder how long until people realize that a single good guide on the OP will do more harm to wild fish in a single day than most people will do in a single season? There are several really good full time OP guides and a lot more so-so wanna be guides out there every single day......

Better restrict the guides, too.


There's a lot of truth to that! I'm quickly realizing that my performance on the river of late is not much of a threat!! I hope I get banned last!

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#973843 - 02/24/17 04:19 PM Re: West End Bait Ban [Re: fishbadger]
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Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 05/13/03
Posts: 232
Loc: Vashon/Grayland
Salmo speaks with strait tongue.

Alrighty then starting a full week of west end festivities starting tomorrow. Gonna drag out bags of worms large box of bobbers/jig I've had for a long time but seldom used. (I am a certified spoonofile however) Got me some 1 oz slinkies for dropping worms dieretely behind the cork lines on the Lowe H. They stack up behind the mono mesh you know. Using bait Wednesday however gonna get fished by a Quinjun. God I love a good bait bite.
Hoh tribe should capitalize on the new ban and start fishin white guys on the Hoh letem use bait and bonk one too better $$ than the current price of "wild cot" searun rainbow/day.

See ya all out there looks like the weather gods are smiling on us. The older I get the less it's about the numbers and more about being in the place and time.

That's total bullshirt numbers BABY!

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#974934 - 03/15/17 02:21 PM Re: West End Bait Ban [Re: Get Bent]
gregsalmon Offline
Spawner

Registered: 07/11/08
Posts: 534
Loc: alaska and washington
And still the gill nets roll.

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