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#939776 - 09/25/15 11:13 AM Re: odd wound in summer steelhead [Re: JustBecause]
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#939935 - 09/28/15 07:07 PM Re: odd wound in summer steelhead [Re: eugene1]
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While I too originally believed it to be a lamprey scar, I now must agree with Doc.
A scar would not develop the spot configuration, especially in the lower lateral region that is not spotted to begin with.
(Unless it were to visit a talented medical professional in the cosmetic specialty, in which case it might be an option).

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#939940 - 09/28/15 09:08 PM Re: odd wound in summer steelhead [Re: Huntar]
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I don't know what to believe anymore!

Most of you guys know what a "selfie" is I guess? Here is a "freshie" we got this weekend.

Different river than the steelie and a nook. Note the oval shape.


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#939941 - 09/28/15 09:10 PM Re: odd wound in summer steelhead [Re: JustBecause]
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Hi JustBecause,

Can you send me a link to a bunch of pics of these wounds?

Be great to have a reference to compare with.

Thanks if you can!

Originally Posted By: JustBecause
This is a healed lamprey wound. I've seen hundreds in various states of healing from fresh to completely healed and "re-scaled" or "re-skinned", much like the OP's pic.

No way you can see this upside down (fresh) pattern once the re-scaling has started. Notice that the pic of the pattern is on a scaleless segment of the fish, near the operculum - probably the only reason it remained visible.

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#939942 - 09/28/15 09:15 PM Re: odd wound in summer steelhead [Re: eugene1]
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Loc: Browns Point,Wa. USA
Originally Posted By: eugene1
I don't know what to believe anymore!

Most of you guys know what a "selfie" is I guess? Here is a "freshie" we got this weekend.

Different river than the steelie and a nook. Note the oval shape.












That is obviously a .22 cal wound and the perp was a 49ers fan. Haven't you ever watched CSI?
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#939945 - 09/28/15 11:08 PM Re: odd wound in summer steelhead [Re: eugene1]
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Apparently human conjoined twins are always genetically identical.

"In short, conjoined twins occur when a fertilized egg procrastinates a division. If an egg splits in the first twelve days after conception, identical separate twins are created. If it waits until the thirteenth day or later, the embryos do not divide completely. This leaves the twins conjoined. They can be connected by a ligament, as were the original Siamese twins, Change and Eng Bunker, or attached even closer – at the head, chest, rear end, or lower body.
It is estimated that only one in 200,000 live births will result in conjoined twins. Approximately seventy percent of conjoined twins are female, though it is not known why. Conjoined twins are always the same sex, never mixed."



Can't wait to see the DNA results on CM's king to see how it works in the fish world.
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#939957 - 09/29/15 09:02 AM Re: odd wound in summer steelhead [Re: eugene1]
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Where I worked before, the Bonneville Dam fish trap, I did not take pics of the fish. I wish I would have, because over the years I handled some dandy springers and steelhead - the size you wouldn't think were around much anymore. While we did note all of the different scars and wounds, we did not photo-catalog them.

This is the closest thing I could find on the web, in a short time. Pics 9 and 10 in this gallery are interesting. Not a pacific salmon but interesting the same.

http://theriverscourse.blogspot.com/2012/03/landlocked-love-for-deep-green-beauty.html

I should have phrased my post a bit less definitively. This may very well be a remnant, vestigial twin that has been reabsorbed in a location and in a shape that is common to a lamprey scar, but it's "exceedingly unlikely". The spots are interesting but not conclusive, in my mind - skin does all sorts of weird things when it reforms, particularly if the wound is deep, hair where the re wasn't before, etc.

I'm sticking with the lamprey scar, you guys can have the "Ripley's" conclusion...

:-)

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#939958 - 09/29/15 09:22 AM Re: odd wound in summer steelhead [Re: eugene1]
fp Offline
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Registered: 03/15/99
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Loc: Hoquiam,WA.USA
Ya but, Ornamental invasion just doesn't sound as cool!

Probably Doc will be the only one to figure this out.

fp

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#973947 - 02/27/17 06:41 PM Re: odd wound in summer steelhead [Re: eugene1]
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I think I may have caught my first ALL WILD version of the "absorbed twin syndrome".

Check out this king from last summer...



Look carefully at the patch of NON-matching skin behind the collar on the fish's left "shoulder" (I'm referring specifically to the spotting pattern)



Now check out the normal vermiculated chinook spotting pattern on the other side....

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#974378 - 03/06/17 02:42 PM Re: odd wound in summer steelhead [Re: eugene1]
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Definitely a possibility, Doc.

Kenai fish?

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#974406 - 03/06/17 08:31 PM Re: odd wound in summer steelhead [Re: eugene1]
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Originally Posted By: eugene1


Kenai fish?


Indeed....
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#974421 - 03/06/17 10:26 PM Re: odd wound in summer steelhead [Re: eugene1]
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#974485 - 03/07/17 04:10 PM Re: odd wound in summer steelhead [Re: eyeFISH]
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Originally Posted By: eyeFISH


Just saw that on PP. Looks like a good move to preserve the resource.

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