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#978182 - 07/04/17 10:48 AM Re: Crab pots in MA. 9 10 & 11 [Re: Bank Bum]
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I bought an elk tag, once. We were bowhunting down in the Gorge and since elk season was open at the same time, we bought tags. Turns out, there were something like six elk in whole unit and the goal was to eliminate them. Fine. When I complained, after hunting, I was told I could hunt elsewhere. While true, that is is where I had the chance to go. A little transparency goes a long ways.

My personal definition of "opportunity" is that I actually encounter the species. I see deer; reasonably within range. I see fish, feeding. The waterfowl are flying by, the dog finds pheasants. The actual shooting at, hooking, etc. is my responsibility. I can't blame WDFW if I can't hit [Bleeeeep!] but I can blame them if there is nothing there to hit.

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#978183 - 07/04/17 10:51 AM Re: Crab pots in MA. 9 10 & 11 [Re: Bank Bum]
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To add to "reasonable opportunity" back in the 80s there were restrictions placed on Chinook harvest is PS due to an imbalance in allocations. To most anglers, their belief was the Sound was closed. No. It was open to coho, it was open to Chinook C&R, but it was closed to Chinook killing. For many of us, and many fisheries, if I can't kill it it's not open.

There really needs to be a wide-ranging discussion on how we manage recreational resources.

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#978185 - 07/04/17 12:21 PM Re: Crab pots in MA. 9 10 & 11 [Re: Carcassman]
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Originally Posted By: Carcassman
A little transparency goes a long ways.

My personal definition of "opportunity" is that I actually encounter the species. I see deer; reasonably within range. I see fish, feeding. The waterfowl are flying by, the dog finds pheasants. The actual shooting at, hooking, etc. is my responsibility. I can't blame WDFW if I can't hit [Bleeeeep!] but I can blame them if there is nothing there to hit.


I can buy into that; pretty much overlays my "reasonable opportunity" perspective.
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#978186 - 07/04/17 01:04 PM Re: Crab pots in MA. 9 10 & 11 [Re: Bank Bum]
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Unfortunately, I don't think WDFW sees it that way. But, we must keep pushing.

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#978189 - 07/04/17 04:14 PM Re: Crab pots in MA. 9 10 & 11 [Re: Carcassman]
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Originally Posted By: Carcassman
There really needs to be a wide-ranging discussion on how we manage recreational resources.


I've said it 101 times before on here, but PNW sportsman have it ingrained that a "successful day" means putting something on the table. Can't say I blame that original mentality with what once was super bountiful, quality food sources. Couple that with the mystery and size of the ocean and I can see how it has come to be.

I used to catch 10 brazillion trout a year and ate maybe a dozen total. CnR is pretty much how everyone rolls. It's easy when there are 10 brazillion trout. Out here you are searching for maybe a few bites a day which can provide a bunch of great meals in one fish. I get it. We killed a hatchery fish today deader than dead and it's going on my grill shortly. Even if I hadn't taken that fish, I still would have had a successful day on the water, because I was on the water and just happy to be livin' and fishin' and hangin' in the sun with a good friend. Sometimes the "harvest" is just soul food.


Edited by NickD90 (07/04/17 04:15 PM)
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#978194 - 07/04/17 04:57 PM Re: Crab pots in MA. 9 10 & 11 [Re: Bank Bum]
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It gets even more interesting when one looks at specific resources. I can C&R trout, bass, sunfish all day and even river salmon with minimal release mortality. An estuary salmon is often dead, period. Many fish brought up from depth are dead. Who in the world is gonna C&R crabs, shrimp, and clams? "Hey man, you shoulda seen the 'duck I C&R'd today." Same with hunting, C&R just doesn't work.

So, it seems, the (mis)managers need to understand that a crabber needs to have crabs in the pot or they are pissed. If there aren't enough crab out there to support the effort the either find a way to reduce the effort or get more crab out there.

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