#978656 - 07/25/17 02:15 PM
MA-12, South of Ayock is starting.
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I lost one summer fish. I'm releasing a couple of chinook 'cause they look like feeders rather than jacks at the 20" minimum length. https://fortress.wa.gov/dfw/erules/efishrules/erule.jsp?id=1994
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#978671 - 07/25/17 08:31 PM
Re: MA-12, South of Ayock is starting.
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How is the water clarity in the south canal? North canal has less clarity than the west point treatment plant aeration basins
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#978676 - 07/26/17 12:23 PM
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I noticed that the last two weekends also Piper!
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#978697 - 07/27/17 08:41 AM
Re: MA-12, South of Ayock is starting.
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Diamond Cutter
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we have a place near Twanho State Park and it has that 'glacier run off' green look with poor visibility .
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#978704 - 07/27/17 11:45 AM
Re: MA-12, South of Ayock is starting.
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that's what we're seeing in the North end as well, glacier green... there have been some occasional tidal swings where the hood canal cloud pushes into puget sound and screws up visibility as well as fishing...
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#978706 - 07/27/17 12:02 PM
Re: MA-12, South of Ayock is starting.
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#978710 - 07/27/17 06:42 PM
Re: MA-12, South of Ayock is starting.
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Diamond Cutter
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South canal has been experiencing some weird stuff the last 6 to 8 years. Crabbing used to be dynamite, easy limits daily now its non existent. I haven't caught a crab the last two years and the previous 3 years a few each season. Hope the canal isn't turning into the 'dead sea'. Oysters and clams are still strong,but I'm believing more and more in global warming. Chum returns to Twanho creek are week. Union river kings are barely hanging on. On the positive side the canal north of the big bend things are better. 'OXYGEN DEPLETION' ? Need Norm Dicks back in congress..........he did a lot for hoodcanal and Washington state. IMO! chuck
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#978712 - 07/28/17 08:14 AM
Re: MA-12, South of Ayock is starting.
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I've always wondered what the water quality of the southern canal would be like if the Skok had its natural flow coming out of the north fork. There was also a thought that septic systems were and dumping dead chums were contributing water issues. Lots of theories. I spent a ton of time on the canal during the 60's and 70's and don't recall the water being like it is now. SF
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#978720 - 07/28/17 12:56 PM
Re: MA-12, South of Ayock is starting.
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King of the Beach
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I'd have to believe in the summer, more water flows out of the north fork at Hoodsport then actually down the river itself. I may be wrong on that as I don't have figures to back it up. I think Tacoma did increase the flows down the north fork a few years ago.
I mentioned the septics because I have access to several properties on the canal for fishing. In the winter and late spring, you'd be amazed at how high the water gets on the king tides. Septic systems in some areas are actually underwater. Combine a big tide with a bunch of rain and a stiff s / sw wind and it is pretty ugly. With the lack of flushing beyond the big bend, I wonder how much organic material builds up. It seems this is happening earlier each year, but I'm sure weather and lack of rain play a roll this year. SF
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#978730 - 07/28/17 04:27 PM
Re: MA-12, South of Ayock is starting.
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Interesting thought about the clam harvesting. From the number of tribal releases, it appears that the tribes are really hammering them. I don't think that was the situation before the Rafeedie Decision, or an any case before around 2000. Add in the growth in casino's and it falls right in to the general time line when problems might start to occur. I wonder if anyone has a traditional estimate of the biomass before the start of the problem and the current biomass.
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#978731 - 07/28/17 05:09 PM
Re: MA-12, South of Ayock is starting.
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I'd be curious to see what impact the geoduck harvest has had in the canal...
According to WDFW there are 5mil lbs harvested from PS every year... but there is no breakdown where they are coming from. Before the HC crash we used to see refrigerated trucks full of them hauled out of the Salisbury ramp. haven't seen them for a while now, but then we haven't had a salmon season for a while so i haven't been out to witness what gets taken out anymore.
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#978742 - 07/29/17 06:17 AM
Re: MA-12, South of Ayock is starting.
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River Nutrients
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Some information from the geoduck harvest management plan.
The commercial harvest of geoducks targets the clam population in a relatively narrow band of subtidal Puget Sound; that area down to 70 feet. Keep in mind that geoducks can be found in quite deep water (to depths greater than 650 feet!). Reportedly in many areas of the Sound the deep waters with suitable substrate the bottom in waters are "paved" with geoducks.
The harvest plan targets an harvest rate of 2.7% of the biomass (that in less than 70 feet). By extension if the reported 5 million pounds of clam harvested is 2.7% of the biomass that shallow water biomass would be 185 million pounds. Have not been able to find a total biomass Puget Sound estimate but it would appear that 5 million pounds is a relative drop in the bucket of whatever that biomass may be.
BTW- Yesterday (7/28) there 8 diver boats that appeared to be harvesting geoducks at Kingston.
Curt
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#978752 - 07/30/17 11:46 AM
Re: MA-12, South of Ayock is starting.
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River Nutrients
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I believe the nutrient load is much more than the septics. The urban areas truck sludge to Webb Hill where it is turned into fertilizer for the " farms."
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#978753 - 07/30/17 11:55 AM
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It doesn't look as Caribbean as a week or so ago.
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#978754 - 07/30/17 01:18 PM
Re: MA-12, South of Ayock is starting.
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Some information from the geoduck harvest management plan.
The commercial harvest of geoducks targets the clam population in a relatively narrow band of subtidal Puget Sound; that area down to 70 feet. Keep in mind that geoducks can be found in quite deep water (to depths greater than 650 feet!). Reportedly in many areas of the Sound the deep waters with suitable substrate the bottom in waters are "paved" with geoducks
How deep do you suppose the Alge bloom goes? 70'?
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