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#980941 - 10/25/17 07:24 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
AP a.k.a. Kaiser D Offline
Hippie

Registered: 01/31/02
Posts: 4533
Loc: B'ham
Yup.

Tribal rights have been there all along but, because of casino money, the politicians and lawyers are great/easy investments these days. Add the “death by a thousand cuts” and the “there aren’t enough for all of us” from the 70’s becomes wishful thinking. And basically, beyond a handful of sports fishermen, no one gives a [Bleeeeep!]. Actually, it isn’t that they dont give a [Bleeeeep!], they don’t even see it enough to know they don’t give a [Bleeeeep!]. And half the fishermen that think they care about it actively support the process of its continuing demise.

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#980949 - 10/25/17 10:52 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D]
Bay wolf Offline
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Registered: 10/26/12
Posts: 1075
Loc: Graham, WA
Originally Posted By: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D
Yup.

Tribal rights have been there all along but, because of casino money, the politicians and lawyers are great/easy investments these days. Add the “death by a thousand cuts” and the “there aren’t enough for all of us” from the 70’s becomes wishful thinking. And basically, beyond a handful of sports fishermen, no one gives a [Bleeeeep!]. Actually, it isn’t that they dont give a [Bleeeeep!], they don’t even see it enough to know they don’t give a [Bleeeeep!]. And half the fishermen that think they care about it actively support the process of its continuing demise.

Tomorrow, Oct 26, a delegation of five, representing thousands of Sportsmen and women who’ve had enough, are meeting with the Director WDFW, the Chairman of the WDFW Commission and others. It has been almost a year now, and thousands of man hours we have been working on trying to get a simple video camera in the North of Falcon meetings. You think WDFW gives a rats ass about the Sportsmen? Stay tuned...you will find out tomorrow when they are forced to show their cards at last!
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#980950 - 10/26/17 05:25 AM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
Take-Down Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 02/29/08
Posts: 117
Bay Wolf - Feel free to spend 60 seconds to ask them to find their balls and open the Quileute System to Coho retention immediately while your chatting.

I'm sure WDFW doesn't like being pushed around by that Tribe and their attorneys but the netting that happened in the lower Quileute system this year is shameful, and to encourage it by shutting down the sportsmen is embarrassing and pathetic. I have defended WDFW on this Board numerous times, but this is just, simply, wrong. That system should open for Coho retention with a notice tomorrow, with our without the consent of the Tribe.

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#981017 - 10/27/17 05:34 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
Gusty Offline
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Registered: 04/27/99
Posts: 372
Loc: Everett, WA. USA
WDFW FISHING RULE CHANGE
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov

October 27, 2017

Sections of the Bogachiel and Calawah rivers to close to fishing

Action: Close sections of the Bogachiel and Calawah rivers to all fishing.

Effective date: Oct. 30, 2017 until further notice.

Species affected: All species.

Locations:

Bogachiel River, between Highway 101 and Wilson's boat ramp.
Calawah River, downstream of the Highway 101 Bridge.
Reason for action: WDFW previously closed these river sections to salmon retention when low flows created difficult conditions for migrating salmon, impeding their movement upstream.

Harvest estimates to date have exceeded preseason expectations. WDFW is closing these river sections to all fishing to protect chinook that are now moving upriver into spawning areas.

Additional information: The Quileute Tribe is also closing their fisheries until further notice.****cheer, cheer, what stewards of the resource.....barf***

Information contact: Region 6 Office, David Low: (360) 249-4628.

Fishers must have a current Washington fishing license, appropriate to the fishery. Check the WDFW "Fishing in Washington" rules pamphlet for details on fishing seasons and regulations. Fishing rules are subject to change. Check the WDFW Fishing hotline for the latest rule information at (360) 902-2500, press 2 for recreational rules. For the Shellfish Rule Change hotline call (360)796-3215 or toll free 1-866-880-5431.
Persons with disabilities who need to receive this information in an alternative format or who need reasonable accommodations to participate in WDFW-sponsored public meetings or other activities may contact Dolores Noyes by phone (360-902-2349), TTY (360-902-2207), or email (dolores.noyes@dfw.wa.gov). For more information, see http://wdfw.wa.gov/accessibility/reasonable_request.html.

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#981032 - 10/29/17 12:55 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: Gusty]
Blktailhunter Offline
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Registered: 08/07/09
Posts: 485
Originally Posted By: Gusty
WDFW FISHING RULE CHANGE
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov

October 27, 2017

Sections of the Bogachiel and Calawah rivers to close to fishing

Action: Close sections of the Bogachiel and Calawah rivers to all fishing.

Effective date: Oct. 30, 2017 until further notice.

Species affected: All species.

Locations:

Bogachiel River, between Highway 101 and Wilson's boat ramp.
Calawah River, downstream of the Highway 101 Bridge.
Reason for action: WDFW previously closed these river sections to salmon retention when low flows created difficult conditions for migrating salmon, impeding their movement upstream.

Harvest estimates to date have exceeded preseason expectations. WDFW is closing these river sections to all fishing to protect chinook that are now moving upriver into spawning areas.

Additional information: The Quileute Tribe is also closing their fisheries until further notice.****cheer, cheer, what stewards of the resource.....barf***

Information contact: Region 6 Office, David Low: (360) 249-4628.

Fishers must have a current Washington fishing license, appropriate to the fishery. Check the WDFW "Fishing in Washington" rules pamphlet for details on fishing seasons and regulations. Fishing rules are subject to change. Check the WDFW Fishing hotline for the latest rule information at (360) 902-2500, press 2 for recreational rules. For the Shellfish Rule Change hotline call (360)796-3215 or toll free 1-866-880-5431.
Persons with disabilities who need to receive this information in an alternative format or who need reasonable accommodations to participate in WDFW-sponsored public meetings or other activities may contact Dolores Noyes by phone (360-902-2349), TTY (360-902-2207), or email (dolores.noyes@dfw.wa.gov). For more information, see http://wdfw.wa.gov/accessibility/reasonable_request.html.


Soooo after forcing the closure of the Sol Suc and the Quileute by overharvesting, the tribe continued to net? WTH?

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#981141 - 11/01/17 09:28 AM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
Blktailhunter Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 08/07/09
Posts: 485
I wonder what the financial impact to the local economy is from the tribes overnetting and causing a fishing closure to the Forks area rivers? It has to be quite substantial. The vampire boom has passed.

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#981142 - 11/01/17 12:14 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
Carcassman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7410
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
If it doesn't hurt the Tribe's economy, and by extension political contributions, then it is no problem.

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#981153 - 11/02/17 04:21 AM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
OceanSun Offline
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Registered: 07/01/04
Posts: 1303
Loc: North Creek
With the tribes insisting on sovereign nation status why do we even legally accept political contributions from them?! There's the real collusion story!
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#981183 - 11/02/17 01:08 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
Krijack Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 06/03/06
Posts: 1531
Loc: Tacoma
From what I have read, the state can cancel any fishery, including tribal fisheries, in the name of conservation. Whether they can do that unilaterally for an imbalance is questionable, but I am fairly sure that they could petition the courts for an immediate closure or insist on a reallocation the next year. If nothing else, the state needs to read the ending on the Centennial accord and reinstate the Fisheries Advisory Board and follow that path if the tribes refuse to negotiate at the pre season meetings.. Almost all of the problems that are coming up have been addressed in the courts in the past, the state and the department of fisheries just refuses to flex their muscles at all. There should be no real threat of a suit by the tribes, because it is already established case law. Saying there is nothing that can be done is simply untrue. It just that the state is unwilling to do anything.

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#981186 - 11/02/17 01:55 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
Carcassman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7410
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
In the past, the State had the authority (from Boldt, actually) to manage for conservation. They could and did shut down tribal fisheries when total harvestable had been taken and when they had taken their share if their fishery would catch non-Indian allocation. For example, say the tribe's had taken their chum allocation and the non-Indians hadn't but there was no way for the NI net fishery to access them, then they would be allowed to fish "into" the NI share (NI sport had already been accounted for).

Unfortunately, the state tried to close the Quinaults at 9AM and the tribe closed at noon. State went out and arrested/cited fishermen. Obviously, this went to court and the judge ruled that the tribes had to agree to the closure.

After co-mnagement started in full force, each side was responsible for managing its own fleet. The state gave up the conservation responsibility. A few years later the state almost grew a pair sufficient to issue a closure but backed down when the tribes said they would close. And didn't.

Short answer is the state could do something for conservation but won't. And there are others here aware of situations where the state will close a rec fishery with harvest remaining because the tribe will fish if the recs do regardless of share status.

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#981189 - 11/02/17 03:58 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
FleaFlickr02 Online   content
River Nutrients

Registered: 10/28/09
Posts: 3314
I do believe Carcassman just hit on the reason why the fishery remained closed after the rain came. The only way to get the Tribes to agree to stop fishing is to close our fisheries first, and you can bet your bottom dollar they will have the nets back in the same week it reopens (if it does). Before that can happen, we must make sure the sport fishery has yet again been strapped with the entire conservation burden in a year that SHOULD have been a great year for wild OP Chinook, but will instead more likely set them back another decade.

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#981239 - 11/03/17 03:15 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 28170
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov/

November 3, 2017
Contact: Annette Hoffmann, 360-249-1201;
Larry Phillips, 360-249-1211

Quillayute River system to re-open to fishing;
anglers must release chinook salmon

OLYMPIA – Anglers can make plans to go fishing on the Olympic Peninsula, where much of the Quillayute River system will re-open beginning Saturday, Nov. 4.

The Quillayute River, as well as sections of the Sol Duc, Bogachiel, Calawah and Dickey rivers will re-open for fishing Nov. 4, but anglers must release all chinook salmon, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) announced today.

WDFW previously closed these rivers to fishing when low river flows were impeding the migration of salmon upstream. The department wanted to ensure that a sufficient number of salmon return to spawning grounds. The Quileute Tribe also closed its fisheries.

"With river levels on the rise, most chinook have moved upstream to the spawning areas, allowing us to re-open these areas to fishing," said Annette Hoffmann, regional fish program manager for WDFW. "However, we want to protect chinook that may still be in these areas, so we're requiring anglers to release any chinook they catch."

Rivers that will re-open to fishing Nov. 4 include:

Quillayute River.
Sol Duc River downstream of the concrete pump station at the Sol Duc Hatchery.
Bogachiel River downstream of the Highway 101 bridge.
Calawah River downstream of the Highway 101 bridge.
Dickey River from the Olympic National Park boundary upstream to the confluences of the East and West forks.
For more information, including daily catch limits, anglers should check the department's fishing rule change webpage at https://fortress.wa.gov/dfw/erules/efishrules/
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#981240 - 11/03/17 03:15 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 28170
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Press release should hit the web soon.

Fish on...

Todd
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