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#981543 - 11/13/17 07:20 AM Re: Concerns over Thompson River steelhead (BC) [Re: bushbear]
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Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7413
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Doc, while it is easy and fun to blame Feinsten and Trump for what will happen to CA water, the problem is a lot closer to home. Too many people, and most located in virtual deserts. For options, let's just say that they decide to leave all the water in NorCal and use it for fish and people Norte of the Tehachapi's.

Were do the fruits and nuts south of there get water? Whose rivers get dried up? Already dried up the Colorado.

It won't be too long before the political power of the folks who want water tap the Big C. Because they also want the power, they'll take it at Bonneville, after generating the power there. Some really bit aqueducts send it down to (probably) the upper Sacramento where it then enters the distribution system.

While in college I heard a proposal from a CA legislator to dam the Carquinez Straits (upper end of SF Bay) to capture all of the Central Valley freshwater for export south. And this was a really long time ago.

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#981581 - 11/13/17 08:07 PM Re: Concerns over Thompson River steelhead (BC) [Re: eyeFISH]
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Registered: 09/05/14
Posts: 196
Loc: Stanwood WA
Originally Posted By: eyeFISH
Originally Posted By: OLD FB

BTW WA. state could take a lesson from CA. these days in there ocean fisheries management as it was another stellar year for Chinook down there too!


I don't know about that OLD FB, I think they just got lucky. Pre-season, CA was bracing for a horrid 2017 chinook return. But I see JDR posting some pretty nice pics from the Sac... and not just a few. Here's an article about the pre-season outlook.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/6745494-181/worst-salmon-season-in-eight?artslide=0

Between Feinstein and Trump, CA's water management is poised to put salmon in the toilet for good.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/opinion/6485256-181/close-to-home-california-salmon?ref=related


Thanks for posting the links eyeFISH as I am well versed in California fishing "issues" still to this day as many old friends are involved in the charter industry down there as well as well as many rec anglers too. I know they were quite apprehensive before March 2017 but one friend and charter boat operator out of Sausalito ( fished with NewRayann for 14 years) went to March 1st Santa Rosa meeting and also attended the March 7th Vancouver WA meeting for PFMC and attended the early April meeting in Sacramento to voice his and all others involved in rec and charter industry and they got a decent number of days with nice numbers and quality fish. It's always a crystal ball estimate and glad it turned out for those guys down there this year! Sometimes ya' just get lucky I suppose. blush Numbers rise and fall and I get that but they are doing a supplemental release out at Ft Baker adjacent to the North tower of the GG Bridge in an effort to increase numbers too. 750K to 1 million this year was what I saw posted recently> Nice to be proactive! Ever fish in the Bay Area? I used to work with the Tyee Club at their net pen station off California City adjacent to the Tiburon Peninsula. Another great program too! Carcassman might recall that???

Water concerns? Always has been and always will be down there in the Golden State. Delta pumps come to mind tonight as they finally got them turned off in the spring as there were more stripers down that I-5 ditch to LA in the impoundments than in SF Bay of the Pacific Ocean off the beaches! World is a CRAZY place for sure these days.

All I want to do is FISH!

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#981616 - 11/14/17 08:50 PM Re: Concerns over Thompson River steelhead (BC) [Re: Keta]
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Registered: 09/25/03
Posts: 109
Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: Keta
This is just one of many symptoms of a systemically flawed socioeconomic system that demands economic growth fueled by full exploitation of natural resources with no concern for sustainability.



http://www.davidfroud.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Business-Ethics-1.png

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#985448 - 02/14/18 01:20 PM Re: Concerns over Thompson River steelhead (BC) [Re: dizzy fisherman]
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Registered: 06/24/00
Posts: 554
Loc: Des Moines
Fast tracked to endangered species list.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/em...-673950263.html

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#985467 - 02/14/18 04:49 PM Re: Concerns over Thompson River steelhead (BC) [Re: bushbear]
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Posts: 1382
What a waste.
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