#985635 - 02/17/18 07:28 AM
Re: Rough surf kills 2 women, clam digging
[Re: Jake Dogfish]
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Dah Rivah Stinkah Pink Mastah
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It's WDFW's best managed resource. We dig at night all the time. You can't dumb proof everything.
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#985705 - 02/18/18 10:07 AM
Re: Rough surf kills 2 women, clam digging
[Re: Jake Dogfish]
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Registered: 04/17/13
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I didnt make the assumptions. Your right no one knows. But two Women died on seperate beaches at the same time under nearly identical circumstances.
This is after WDFW and social media annoucements of planned night time clam digs. These announcements bring in people from all around.
What will happen at some point is we will lose the ability to have night time digs for safety reasons. Then we will have less opportunites.
This can be prevented by having reasonable seasons like everywhere else on the West Coast.
Do you really think that WDFW or someone else from the state is going to shut down night clamming because some folks don't use due caution when out in the real world at night? As pointed out above people make their own decisions as to whether or not to go out when the surf conditions (or marine conditions when boating) are marginal and thusly are either safe or not. It's their choice, not some hand holding state group. It has been pointed out that there are things you do to stay safe, the state advises people to use caution and not turn your back on waves. We've said clam in groups. Pay attention. What is it that you do not understand? Should we legislate against people who use due caution because of foolish people who pay with their lives?And where else on the West Coast do they have "Reasonable seasons" for razor clams that due not have night time digs? I'm having a harder and harder time figuring out where you are coming from, you seem to have a hard time in the darkness. Sounds like a personal issue, to me. Bob R
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#985753 - 02/19/18 03:10 PM
Re: Rough surf kills 2 women, clam digging
[Re: DrifterWA]
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Spawner
Registered: 04/04/00
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These Women lost there lives because they got turned around in the surf with lights in every direction.
Jake, that was an assumption. There was talk about a possible medical problem, and a big wave, and who all knows what else. We don't know for sure what happened and neither do you. Problem with most people is what they think happened soon become fact as far as they are concerned.
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#985755 - 02/19/18 03:15 PM
Re: Rough surf kills 2 women, clam digging
[Re: DrifterWA]
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#986281 - 03/02/18 01:26 PM
Re: Rough surf kills 2 women, clam digging
[Re: fish4brains]
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It's WDFW's best managed resource. We dig at night all the time. You can't dumb proof everything. That’s not saying much? You certainly can’t dumb proof Wdfw. This announcement has been up for 3 days now without correction: Razor clam digs approved March 2 and 3 Action: Opens Razor clam season Effective date: 12:01 p.m. March 2 through 11:59 p.m. March 3, 2018 Digging is only allowed from: 12:01 a.m. through 11:59 a.m. each day. Species affected: Razor clams The specific low tides for this opener: March 2, Friday - 6: 54 p.m.; -0.8 feet; Mocrocks March 3, Saturday - 7: 34 p.m.; -0.3 feet; Mocrocks Locations: Mocrocks Beach, which extends from the Copalis River to the southern boundary of the Quinault Reservation near the Moclips River, including Iron Springs, Roosevelt Beach, Pacific Beach and Moclips. Reason for action: Harvestable numbers of razor clams are available. Information contact: Dan Ayres (360) 249-4628, Region 6 Montesano Digging is only allowed from: 12:01 a.m. through 11:59 a.m. each day. Sending folks out in the middle of the night with no chance at clams. I have already seen posts on other non fishing sites asking if the digs are at night. Also there are the usual folks from Portland heading up with there shovels. Thanks to social media. Last year wdfw announced a dig, then closed it due to biotoxin. I know people that went anyway and had to toss there clams. If the best way to manage our clam resources is by social media announced seasons then why not do that with all our non razor clam beaches? Instead of several month to year round seasons we could have one day or weekend social media announced openers. Retired Folks in RVs could drive the whole circuit, hitting a new beach every weekend. Wipe every living thing off the beach and move on. This would flood our state parks and make things way easier for Wdfw to manage. I am for the night time clam digs. Just not the current system of social media sending everyone to pound sand in the dark at the same spot at the same time. This will cause a end to night time clam digging, not just for the ocean but everywhere! If we allow this to happen it will be our fault for saying “how high”? every time Wdfw asks us to jump.
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#986293 - 03/02/18 03:18 PM
Re: Rough surf kills 2 women, clam digging
[Re: Jake Dogfish]
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Registered: 04/17/13
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It's WDFW's best managed resource. We dig at night all the time. You can't dumb proof everything. That’s not saying much? You certainly can’t dumb proof Wdfw. This announcement has been up for 3 days now without correction: Razor clam digs approved March 2 and 3 Action: Opens Razor clam season Effective date: 12:01 p.m. March 2 through 11:59 p.m. March 3, 2018 Digging is only allowed from: 12:01 a.m. through 11:59 a.m. each day. Species affected: Razor clams The specific low tides for this opener: March 2, Friday - 6: 54 p.m.; -0.8 feet; Mocrocks March 3, Saturday - 7: 34 p.m.; -0.3 feet; Mocrocks Locations: Mocrocks Beach, which extends from the Copalis River to the southern boundary of the Quinault Reservation near the Moclips River, including Iron Springs, Roosevelt Beach, Pacific Beach and Moclips. Reason for action: Harvestable numbers of razor clams are available. Information contact: Dan Ayres (360) 249-4628, Region 6 Montesano Digging is only allowed from: 12:01 a.m. through 11:59 a.m. each day. Sending folks out in the middle of the night with no chance at clams. I have already seen posts on other non fishing sites asking if the digs are at night. Also there are the usual folks from Portland heading up with there shovels. Thanks to social media. Last year wdfw announced a dig, then closed it due to biotoxin. I know people that went anyway and had to toss there clams. If the best way to manage our clam resources is by social media announced seasons then why not do that with all our non razor clam beaches? Instead of several month to year round seasons we could have one day or weekend social media announced openers. Retired Folks in RVs could drive the whole circuit, hitting a new beach every weekend. Wipe every living thing off the beach and move on. This would flood our state parks and make things way easier for Wdfw to manage. I am for the night time clam digs. Just not the current system of social media sending everyone to pound sand in the dark at the same spot at the same time. This will cause a end to night time clam digging, not just for the ocean but everywhere! If we allow this to happen it will be our fault for saying “how high”? every time Wdfw asks us to jump. If you had ever dug razor clams you would know that you can dig 2 hours before a low tide , usually we are limited out an hour in. This tide (Friday) means it will be light 'till 6:00 or so, at least an hour to dig. Your rant and logic are difficult to understand. The times posted are the times when tides are at their lowest. You think they should tell people different times to limit how much is harvested? I'm going to go dig clams now, have fun arguing about digging clams! Bob R
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#986305 - 03/02/18 04:09 PM
Re: Rough surf kills 2 women, clam digging
[Re: bob r]
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It's WDFW's best managed resource. We dig at night all the time. You can't dumb proof everything. That’s not saying much? You certainly can’t dumb proof Wdfw. This announcement has been up for 3 days now without correction: Razor clam digs approved March 2 and 3 Action: Opens Razor clam season Effective date: 12:01 p.m. March 2 through 11:59 p.m. March 3, 2018 Digging is only allowed from: 12:01 a.m. through 11:59 a.m. each day. Species affected: Razor clams The specific low tides for this opener: March 2, Friday - 6: 54 p.m.; -0.8 feet; Mocrocks March 3, Saturday - 7: 34 p.m.; -0.3 feet; Mocrocks Locations: Mocrocks Beach, which extends from the Copalis River to the southern boundary of the Quinault Reservation near the Moclips River, including Iron Springs, Roosevelt Beach, Pacific Beach and Moclips. Reason for action: Harvestable numbers of razor clams are available. Information contact: Dan Ayres (360) 249-4628, Region 6 Montesano Digging is only allowed from: 12:01 a.m. through 11:59 a.m. each day. Sending folks out in the middle of the night with no chance at clams. I have already seen posts on other non fishing sites asking if the digs are at night. Also there are the usual folks from Portland heading up with there shovels. Thanks to social media. Last year wdfw announced a dig, then closed it due to biotoxin. I know people that went anyway and had to toss there clams. If the best way to manage our clam resources is by social media announced seasons then why not do that with all our non razor clam beaches? Instead of several month to year round seasons we could have one day or weekend social media announced openers. Retired Folks in RVs could drive the whole circuit, hitting a new beach every weekend. Wipe every living thing off the beach and move on. This would flood our state parks and make things way easier for Wdfw to manage. I am for the night time clam digs. Just not the current system of social media sending everyone to pound sand in the dark at the same spot at the same time. This will cause a end to night time clam digging, not just for the ocean but everywhere! If we allow this to happen it will be our fault for saying “how high”? every time Wdfw asks us to jump. If you had ever dug razor clams you would know that you can dig 2 hours before a low tide , usually we are limited out an hour in. This tide (Friday) means it will be light 'till 6:00 or so, at least an hour to dig. Your rant and logic are difficult to understand. The times posted are the times when tides are at their lowest. You think they should tell people different times to limit how much is harvested? I'm going to go dig clams now, have fun arguing about digging clams! Bob R Can you read, bob?
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#986318 - 03/02/18 04:59 PM
Re: Rough surf kills 2 women, clam digging
[Re: DrifterWA]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 04/25/00
Posts: 5077
Loc: East of Aberdeen, West of Mont...
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I just called Region 6....
They were not aware of the mistake........way it reads, could be lots of people digging tonight...
and then
could be lots of people digging in the morning.............
I just came home from Aberdeen......LOTS of vehicles heading West !!!!!
Hope LE is in a good mood..........
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