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#987600 - 04/06/18 07:35 AM Muzzies
NickD90 Offline
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Muzzies. Not the towel kind, the freedom kind. I haven't hunted with a smoke pole since I was a kid toting around dad's old handbuilt KLR 79" octagonal barrel behemoth and it's time to get pack into the game. Gawd, that thing sucked to tote around at elevation, but it did get me a nice bull once. I digress...

It's buying season, so pick me a winner in a NW package and tell me why.

CVA
Traditions
Thompson/Center

Striker or hammer?
Pellet or loose?
Sabot or Powerbelt?
Any specific worked up loads known to perform well?

I've done my basic research, but still can't decide and it would be great to not waste my money and time. Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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#987650 - 04/06/18 04:04 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
Myassisdragon Offline
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Registered: 07/07/14
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Loc: The Wet Side
How far from Traditional do you want to wander ? You can still smoke pole it, no pyrodex, iron sights, and some leathers with some feathers, and take some game out to 70 yards + a couple more, or -

You can have a super lite, superfine singleshot rifle, with all the tech needed to take game out into the hundreds of yards or so, powder pellets, sabots, add on and on you can go. Add some fine gore techs to keep some wet off ya when yer crawling thru the blackberry, and it’s almost a ruger no 1.

And, It’s all gud !


Edited by Myassisdragon (04/06/18 04:06 PM)
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Hmmm

- "Wild steelhead were more numerous this year than they were in the 1970s" ( ITYOOL - 2015 )

- "It's past the time to "play nice", after all, they are pooching us royally."

D'uh!

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#987668 - 04/06/18 06:58 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
NickD90 Offline
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The later. A modern inline that's NW compliant. Looking for a performing working rifle, not a safe queen. I'll spend whatever within reason. The higher end Traditions and CVAs are like $600 give or take. That would be fine. I'm wondering on quality between the brands and any key features such as a simple removable breach plug that may work better or easier one brand compared to the next or even between model to model.
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#987670 - 04/06/18 07:48 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
kingdog Offline
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Registered: 05/28/13
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Why is Knight missing from your list?

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#987671 - 04/06/18 08:10 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
NickD90 Offline
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No reason, but I haven't reviewed much about Knights. Do they make a NW model?
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#987678 - 04/07/18 12:26 AM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
Myassisdragon Offline
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Vortek has a Northwestern model on offer.
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Hmmm

- "Wild steelhead were more numerous this year than they were in the 1970s" ( ITYOOL - 2015 )

- "It's past the time to "play nice", after all, they are pooching us royally."

D'uh!

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#987679 - 04/07/18 07:06 AM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
kingdog Offline
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Registered: 05/28/13
Posts: 174
Loc: Tumwater
Knight Bighorn is one of their models that you should consider.


Edited by kingdog (04/07/18 07:07 AM)

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#987683 - 04/07/18 11:01 AM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
JTD Offline
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Loc: Browns Point,Wa. USA

I have a Knight MK-85 which is twenty year old technology maybe but that thing will print clover-leafs at 100 yards all day long. I’d recommend: in-line over a hammer, loose powder over pellets (you can’t fine tune pellets) and test several maxi-ball type (brands and weights) to see what shoots best in your gun. I have a rear peep sight on mine and that cut my group size in half.


I haven’t played with it in years but muzzleloading is a ton of fun.
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#987779 - 04/09/18 10:38 AM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
wsu Offline
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Wait for the new regs to come out. There is talk of making 209 primers legal.

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#987861 - 04/10/18 05:33 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: JTD]
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Originally Posted By: JTD

I have a Knight MK-85 which is twenty year old technology maybe but that thing will print clover-leafs at 100 yards all day long. I’d recommend: in-line over a hammer, loose powder over pellets (you can’t fine tune pellets) and test several maxi-ball type (brands and weights) to see what shoots best in your gun. I have a rear peep sight on mine and that cut my group size in half.


Reflects my experience form 1992

Ran my 50 caliber 20" MK-85 with 90 grains of RS Pyrodex 240 grain swaged .429" hollow point in the green sabot.

Very accurate with the gold bead, rear peep combination.


c/22
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#987870 - 04/10/18 09:42 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: chrome/22]
Myassisdragon Offline
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Originally Posted By: chrome/22
Originally Posted By: JTD

I have a Knight MK-85 which is twenty year old technology maybe but that thing will print clover-leafs at 100 yards all day long. I’d recommend: in-line over a hammer, loose powder over pellets (you can’t fine tune pellets) and test several maxi-ball type (brands and weights) to see what shoots best in your gun. I have a rear peep sight on mine and that cut my group size in half.


Reflects my experience form 1992

Ran my 50 caliber 20" MK-85 with 90 grains of RS Pyrodex 240 grain swaged .429" hollow point in the green sabot.

Very accurate with the gold bead, rear peep combination.


c/22


So, how did it do as a game getter?
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Hmmm

- "Wild steelhead were more numerous this year than they were in the 1970s" ( ITYOOL - 2015 )

- "It's past the time to "play nice", after all, they are pooching us royally."

D'uh!

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#987872 - 04/11/18 08:50 AM Re: Muzzies [Re: Myassisdragon]
JTD Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 3068
Loc: Browns Point,Wa. USA


How did IT do, or how did I do? grin


I only played with it for a season for Mulies on the east side and Elk over here. I missed but my buddy batted clean up on a legal buck and, later , I baboozeld about 30 cows in a spike only unit. It is a safe queen now but who knows... I’d love to get it back out again. I don’t hunt as much as fish these days.
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In the legend of King Arthur, the Fisher King was a renowned angler whose errant ways caused him to be struck dumb in the presence of the sacred chalice. I am no great fisherman, and a steelhead is not the covenant of Christ, but with each of these fish I am rendered speechless.

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#987901 - 04/11/18 08:54 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
NickD90 Offline
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Thanks WSU - I also got that tip from another poster and I've been doing some research on the proposal. I'm holding off until it's decided.

I've also done a few hours of research and youtube videos on various Knights. I really like what I'm seeing in that Knight Ultra Light. With the simple conversion kit, it'll shoot musket caps or 209s, so it can easily travel. At 6 lbs, it's the exact opposite of what I grew up with. 20 lb. rifles suck at 10,000 ft. It's about double what I was hoping to spend, but it looks to be worth it.
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#987953 - 04/12/18 10:17 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
NickD90 Offline
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Drew my multi-season deer. Perfect.
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#987955 - 04/13/18 12:24 AM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
snit Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Wenatchee, WA
Cool, us too as most do...elk different story


Edited by snit (04/13/18 12:25 AM)
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#988187 - 04/19/18 11:38 AM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
steelhead59 Offline
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Registered: 01/09/07
Posts: 142
Loc: Olympia, WA
I have shot 6 Elk with a .50 Cal 385 grain Maxi-Ball, not a single one ever took another step. Knocked them right off their feet sideways, game over.

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#988326 - 04/22/18 05:14 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
LocalTalent Offline
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Registered: 06/30/14
Posts: 125
WA rules for muzzleloaders have been relaxed.

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#988329 - 04/22/18 07:32 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
NickD90 Offline
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Yep. thumbs
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#989703 - 05/24/18 02:00 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
Dogfish Offline
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TC inline or Knight inline. powder, not pellets. Prefer Hornady Great Plains SWC HP.

Have fun.
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#990266 - 06/13/18 11:05 AM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
Myassisdragon Offline
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Registered: 07/07/14
Posts: 1144
Loc: The Wet Side
So, how much $$ did Nick have to spend on the new blunderbuss ?
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Hmmm

- "Wild steelhead were more numerous this year than they were in the 1970s" ( ITYOOL - 2015 )

- "It's past the time to "play nice", after all, they are pooching us royally."

D'uh!

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#990278 - 06/13/18 01:50 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
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Haven't bought one yet. I'm waiting to see if I draw any other special tags first.

I'll probably go with the Knight Ultra Light 209 ignition. Working up loads and getting comfortable with the gun will be a fun hobby over the next couple of months.
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#992262 - 08/15/18 09:22 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
Driftfishnw Offline
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Nick, I run a knight bighorn and it’s as solid as they get.

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#992378 - 08/17/18 07:22 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
NickD90 Offline
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Thanks T. I handled one the other day and it's really nice - I can only imagine it shoots like a dream. How you've been man? Draw any killer tags this year?
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#992399 - 08/18/18 10:08 AM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
Driftfishnw Offline
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Doing well, brotha!

Things are crazy busy around the roastery, but still getting out there. No draw tags for me this year (Washingtons system is rigged I swear) but have a hand full of otc tags in my pocket, for Washington and Idaho..... maybe an Oregon trip later in November, but we’ll see.

Any lottery luck for you?

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#992419 - 08/20/18 10:00 AM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
We just got our second antlerless tags, scouting/prepping starts in a few days!

BTW, really enjoyed the coffee you dropped with my girl, will happily accept more any time! I hear you aren't really hunting if you aren't drinking Dark Timber Coffee smile

Fish on...

Todd

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#992420 - 08/20/18 10:01 AM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
Todd Offline
Bumpin the 6X9's

Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
I just realized I never made a season wrap up post from last year...may have to collect a few pics and get that done.

Fish on...

Todd

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#992510 - 08/22/18 01:32 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: Todd]
Driftfishnw Offline
Steelhead Hitman

Registered: 02/10/09
Posts: 2026
Originally Posted By: Todd
We just got our second antlerless tags, scouting/prepping starts in a few days!

BTW, really enjoyed the coffee you dropped with my girl, will happily accept more any time! I hear you aren't really hunting if you aren't drinking Dark Timber Coffee smile

Fish on...

Todd


Anytime! Stop by our warehouse, and get yourself some more! While you’re here, feel free to lend a hand..... we’ll take any help we can get right now 🙂

DT not needed to hunt, just helps with getting yourself all tuned up 😉

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#992512 - 08/22/18 01:44 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
Todd Offline
Bumpin the 6X9's

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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Sounds good!

I would love to come by and see your setup some time!

Fish on...

Todd

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#992560 - 08/23/18 02:57 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
NickD90 Offline
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T - I will help out at your roastery if you outfit our camp with some tasty Dark Timber Coffee!

I'd even consider throwing in some on-location modeling if interested, but I'm pretty sure you want sales, so...
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#992568 - 08/23/18 03:31 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
Todd Offline
Bumpin the 6X9's

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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Originally Posted By: NickD90

I'd even consider throwing in some on-location modeling if interested...


Hold my beer.

Fish on...

Todd

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#992576 - 08/23/18 04:09 PM Re: Muzzies [Re: NickD90]
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Oh great! This should end well. moose
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