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#104355 - 03/02/05 01:15 AM Anyone Know About Saltwater Hatch to Match
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1.) I was just trying to figure out sizes of herring, candlefish, amphipod, chum fry and etc. for different times of year. (Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter)

2.) I also was wondering about coloring of amphipod in the sound.

3.) When do herring spawn?
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#104356 - 03/03/05 01:47 AM Re: Anyone Know About Saltwater Hatch to Match
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Registered: 02/11/03
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Loc: Olympia
Ah! found what I was looking for... you could also probably find it on the WDFW chum website but here it is in unillustrated form.

chum fry fresh from the river are 30-35mm total length.

they reach fingerling size (~65mm total length) after approximately 30-40 days feeding in nearshore waters.

at this point they migrate to deeper waters.

note: at all life stages above the fish have parr marks.

As for your question about amphipods. The buggers come in a variety of drab colors ranging from pale gray to dull green to crustacean white(like the color of white shrimp, semi-translucent). However, you probably don't want to use the orange scuds that imitate dead ones in lakes. The green versions however should work well. There's much room for experimenting with different colors, not to mention on some beaches they are camo colored.

I don't know much about forage fish(baitfish), but I can say that right now the herring, sand lance, smelt are all spawning. In addition to using minnow type flies I just recently came up with the idea to affix very small beads of glue on a piece of green yarn or green cloth(a nice strip of seaweed green colored shirt if you can find one.

You might want to pose your sand lance question to the guys on the main board like Downriggin since they would be more in tune with size of these fish at various times of the year.

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#104357 - 03/03/05 11:13 AM Re: Anyone Know About Saltwater Hatch to Match
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Registered: 03/29/99
Posts: 387
Loc: Seattle, WA USA
Rockhopper,
I beg to differ, the most common amphipod color I've encountered in Puget Sound has been orange. I tie a very simple pattern on a size 16 scud hook with a cream-colored, dubbed body (picked out underneath to represent legs) and about eight strands of orange Krystalfalsh as a shellback. It's very effective for cuttthroat and resident coho in the late winter and spring.
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#104358 - 03/03/05 10:07 PM Re: Anyone Know About Saltwater Hatch to Match
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Registered: 02/11/03
Posts: 274
Loc: Olympia
I think I owe an apology as euphausids weren't registering in my head last night when I typed up my post. I was thinking of other amphipods that I commonly find living amongst the cobbles down at the beach.

Mr. Singletary is correct, euphausids are predominantly orange, red, pink in color. I wish I had a camera last season when I was fishing at Point No Point, I scooped up a lone euphausid from the water and it was clear infused with red. Can't remember if it was I or my dad who caught the coho, but it's stomach was filled with the exact same type of euphausid I had picked up from the surface of the water. Unfortunately, I don't think that you could have really expected to land a coho on a scud pattern that small.

I would have to second the use of a shellback of some sort in your scud pattern.

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