sleds on the Hoh
Posted by: gregsalmon
sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 12:30 AM
I have seen the Indians drift gill netting with sleds on the Hoh. Are sleds okay for us to use there and if so where to put in?
Posted by: Double Haul
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 01:01 AM
Don't go there, the old say, just because you can, doesn't mean you should. The OP river are a special place, please don't spoil them with sled traffic.
Posted by: bushbear
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 01:33 AM
+1
Posted by: Green Drifter
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 01:39 AM
If you go in the next few days there is a pretty good run from Oxbow down to Cottonwood, or maybe Barlow's, a 20' plus sled should fit through there, out and back no problem.
Posted by: Green Drifter
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 01:40 AM
Sorry, reading back over that, and seeing your not from the area, please don't run sleds over there.
Posted by: Addicted
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 01:43 AM
Nice.
Posted by: Streamer
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 02:44 AM
Don't take a sled to the Hoh unless you plan on buying new tires.
Not a threat, but definitely a warning.
If you go in the next few days there is a pretty good run from Oxbow down to Cottonwood, or maybe Barlow's, a 20' plus sled should fit through there, out and back no problem.
Thankfully, It isn't considered acceptable to run sleds there.
Posted by: CHUBS
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 11:34 AM
Tradition says no sleds. EVER!!!
I don't think there is enough water anyway. Please rain. Please
Posted by: Irie
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 11:42 AM
Keep the sleds at Blue Creek.
Posted by: STRIKE ZONE
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 12:34 PM
Good luck with runnin a sled up that way.Good luck,
STRIKE ZONE
Posted by: DrifterWA
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 06:20 PM
Tribal members used to run their sleds up to Allen Bar....just a hop, skip, and jump to the Oxbow from Allen Bar..........zooooooooooom!!!!!!!
Posted by: LoweDown
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 09:31 PM
Posted by: eyeFISH
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 09:47 PM
So what Bret? Should I cancel my plans to head up there when my barge comes out of the shop?
I was planning on hosting you and a few of my finest friends to back-troll Kwiks for fall kings after the next big rain.
Does this mean you don't wanna go?
Posted by: hohbomb73
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 10:25 PM
That is one Calawa Steelheadin' machine there, never mind about the fall Kings!
Posted by: FishNg1
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 10:40 PM
Francis, please reserve my seat! Should I wear a bullet proof vest instead of my fishing vest?
Steve
Posted by: fish4brains
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 10:50 PM
You will need a .50 caliber in the motor mount Folbe.
Posted by: Green Drifter
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 11:08 PM
"That is one Calawa Steelheadin' machine there, never mind about the fall Kings!"
That thing has Hell's Half Mile written all over it.
Posted by: fish-onNW
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 11:43 PM
doc your boats in the shop again???
Posted by: Todd
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/28/08 11:54 PM
doc your boats in the shop again???
Uh...yeah. The last week I fished with Doc it was interesting, to say the least...
The big motor works great...except for the starter, the throttle, and the gear shifter
At least the kicker and TR-1 perfomed flawlessly!
Fish on...
Todd
Posted by: fish4brains
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/29/08 12:30 AM
fish4brains, formerly known as the throttle.
Posted by: Todd
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/29/08 12:34 AM
fish4brains, formerly known as the throttle.
I see you and I have yet another thing in common
Posted by: FishNg1
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/29/08 01:15 AM
YEAH......and I invented the Throttle......uh and the internet!
Steve
The last week I fished with Doc it was interesting, to say the least...
The big motor works great...except for the starter, the throttle, and the gear shifter
And I thought breaking an oar blade last weekend kinda sucked.
At least the trailer is one piece, right?
Posted by: Todd
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/29/08 03:01 AM
Well...
Fish on...
Todd
Posted by: Sol
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/29/08 11:19 AM
You have to admit, it would be cool to watch someone submarine their $30,000 sled in the Oxbow. You know some dumbass would try it.
Posted by: Todd
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/29/08 11:45 AM
That would be the only good part if someone tried...
Fish on...
Todd
Posted by: Irie
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/29/08 12:31 PM
At least the trailer is one piece, right?
Who's trailer was that at SolFly? My god that was a crappy next morning.
Posted by: LoweDown
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/29/08 06:35 PM
Doc,
Yes, and yes.
Posted by: mikey b
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/29/08 07:14 PM
whats the big deal about running a sled? If you want to do something and its not against the law then you should be able to. For christ sakes I cant believe someone would slash a fellow anglers tires but not do [censored] but bitch and cry about what the indians do. just my 2 cents.
Posted by: Todd
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/29/08 08:00 PM
mikey...do you have a sled?
whats the big deal about running a sled?
To a lot of us, it
is a big deal. And most sled owners seem to understand that. There are plenty of places to take sleds besides over there.
Posted by: stlhdr1
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/29/08 09:02 PM
You have to admit, it would be cool to watch someone submarine their $30,000 sled in the Oxbow. You know some dumbass would try it.
Hey, is that a challenge??
If I make it do I get rights to fish the Hoh forever?
Keith
Posted by: hohbomb73
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/29/08 09:07 PM
You have to admit, it would be cool to watch someone submarine their $30,000 sled in the Oxbow. You know some dumbass would try it.
Hey, is that a challenge??
If I make it do I get rights to fish the Hoh forever?
Keith
Sure!
...but "we" get to pick the cfs
Posted by: mikey b
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 01:08 AM
had one tweakers stole the outboard. it was no 30 000 dollar boat but i know it would make it no probs
Posted by: hohbomb73
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 01:20 AM
Posted by: mreyns_tgl
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 01:22 AM
that was a good story j
Posted by: Green Drifter
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 01:25 AM
"had one tweakers stole the outboard. it was no 30 000 dollar boat but i know it would make it no probs"
Dude... and you're over on the Washington flyfishing site all the time, you're kind of a troll arentcha?
Posted by: mikey b
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 01:41 AM
no, im not the same guy, never visited that site. why dont you guys go hug an indian. I can see this is going nowhere.
Posted by: hohbomb73
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 01:49 AM
When you get a new motor, I'll betcha ten bucks you can't make it up and back through the Oxbow.
Ok, wanna make it $20?
How bout we just skip right to $100?
Nah, make it $500 just to motivate you...
Posted by: banki
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 08:30 AM
Nah, make it $500 just to motivate you...
That barely covers gas
Posted by: hohbomb73
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 10:38 AM
Then why don't you step up and offer more?
$500 for a run less than a hundred yards?? ...one gallon of gas ought to cover it.
(I'm not challenging anyone to DRIVE TO oxbow, that's easy...)
Posted by: banki
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 05:14 PM
Gotta tow the boat to make it there plus probably going to have to buy another shoe when you tear the one off, so $500 to run oxbow......nah.
Maybe I'll offer more when the stock market recovers til then thats where my extra money is going.(Buy low sell high)
Posted by: Neal M
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 05:29 PM
I could run oxbow
In sols boat, no problemo!
Posted by: Sol
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 05:39 PM
Making that 90 degree turn on plane with the huge rollers below would be impossible going up or downstream.
Posted by: Jerry Garcia
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 05:42 PM
Sounds like a challenge!!
Posted by: hohbomb73
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 05:45 PM
Making that 90 degree turn on plane with the huge rollers below would be impossible going up or downstream.
Nah, just break up the run using the big pond on river right...
Posted by: Sol
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 05:46 PM
If someone wants to try it I'll stand on the corner with my camcorder. I promise I won't put the footage on youtube.
Posted by: hohbomb73
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 05:49 PM
I'll stand on the corner with $500...
Posted by: fish4brains
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 05:51 PM
I'll stand on the corner with a first aid kit...
Posted by: Neal M
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 05:56 PM
With all that support, I'll do it! Let me borrow your boat dude!
Posted by: ColeyG
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 06:07 PM
I am sure it could be done, but I have yet to see the boat and the driver in this part of the woods that could pull it off.
I got to see Conrad Scott of Scott pumps rip some AK rivers this spring and it was pretty mind bending to see what guys like that can do with the right machine.
On-sighting skinny channels in 4 inches of water at 50+ and making a class 3 rapid look like flat water for starters.
Here is some footage of the tame stuff from that outing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTyWmeO3388The Oxbow would seem easier than quite a few of the sections in the lower river. Those jet boats run shallow, but they don't run in no water with a grate full of rocks.
Posted by: Sol
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 06:14 PM
As I recall you couldn't even row my Willie through there without almost putting it up on the beach.
Posted by: hohbomb73
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 06:20 PM
You must be a climber...
The problem with sledding the Oxbow isn't the water depth, it's the TWO 90deg turns within a couple hundred feet and the fact that there are HUGE boulders all the way up and down that you'd have to dodge.
Granted, at around 20,000 cfs that whole zone flattens out and covers all the rocks, ...there wouldn't be an S-turn to make, just trees to dodge.
I have floated it in a raft at near 20Kcfs and it's cake... other spots on the river aren't: try the dead end road @ above 16K cfs
Posted by: Sky-Guy
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 06:22 PM
With regards to that Video...
It kinda makes me sick to see boats like that operating in a river in that capacity. Joyriding is stooopid!
I'd love to see the under water video of a school of fish when that boat goes by. Sportjets suck cause they are way too loud.
Sorry FR.
Posted by: ColeyG
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 06:39 PM
Yeah I hear ya Ryley. I was actually on the river working on the day that group went by. Not the most serene setting to say the least.
That sort of thing, in this area, would seem to be pretty inappropriate. Running a sportjet for fun in the mud of of an alaskan river in the middle of nowhere is a different sort of thing though and I think it can be done responsibly with little impact to wildlife and other users in the area.
Posted by: Sol Duc
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 06:50 PM
I thought that was a.n.g.i.e........
Posted by: Neal M
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 06:54 PM
So I cut the right side a little close on the first chute and ground a little gravel. I was in fetal position as I run all rapids
Who woulnd't be, rowing YOUR boat, with you in the front moaning and groaning
Posted by: Sol
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 07:09 PM
lmao
Posted by: stlhdr1
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 07:30 PM
Hmm, I'd have to walk it and look at it! I've done some pretty stupid shiat with my sled.... Heck I beached it 3 weeks ago running something that was too shallow, busted my back on the seat box when it catipulted me!
Keith
Posted by: Todd
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 07:32 PM
My dick is too big to run a sled through Oxbow...the rest of you ought to go give it a shot...
Fish on...
Todd
Posted by: CHUBS
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 08:20 PM
I have a 17' arima. what are my chances?
Posted by: Green Drifter
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 08:27 PM
probably not a whole lot worse than a 20' sled.
Posted by: CHUBS
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 08:32 PM
I figure everyone talks about "no sleds" on peninsula rivers. What about a bay boat?
Posted by: Salmo g.
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/30/08 10:01 PM
I think a sled could get up Oxbow, but I'm skeptical about it being successfully run back downstream.
Posted by: JoJo
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 12:15 AM
Salmo
Just back it down. Lot easier that way.
Posted by: Sparkey
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 01:33 AM
Posted by: Sol
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 11:05 AM
You would stuff the bow into a roller going upstream before you even had a chance to F'up the 90 degree turn in any hard boat. I would do it with Dave Kilhefner's jet raft, though. That thing has a keel and turns on a dime, and your not going to submerge the bow of an inflatable.
Posted by: hohbomb73
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 12:03 PM
Seems like in recent years the channel where those "rollers" are has narrowed. Either that, or the rocks on river right have moved around a bit.
At the angle you have take with a 17ft db to avoid the rock (or the big hole, depending on cfs) there just isn't much room to screw up. Doubt it would be much different backing it down...
It'd be worth every penny of $500 to watch someone "try", imho...
Posted by: Neal M
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 12:12 PM
Two years ago the high water pushed a bunch of rocks and gravel into the right side of the approach channel. I used to hug that right bank as I slid down above the rock, then pulled to get to the left of the big rock. First time I rowed it after the change was in Sol's boat. I found less water and more gravel than there was before
Lucky that we had super man logo on the boat or who knows what could have happened
Posted by: Oregonian
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 02:35 PM
You would stuff the bow into a roller going upstream before you even had a chance to F'up the 90 degree turn in any hard boat. I would do it with Dave Kilhefner's jet raft, though. That thing has a keel and turns on a dime, and your not going to submerge the bow of an inflatable.
Sol, do you have more info, pics, or specs of the jet raft ?
Posted by: Sol
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 02:42 PM
Nick and I borrowed it to run down the Babine two years ago. It was about 12 feet long with a hard floor. The thing was pretty much unsinkable.
Posted by: stlhdr1
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 02:56 PM
Nick and I borrowed it to run down the Babine two years ago. It was about 12 feet long with a hard floor. The thing was pretty much unsinkable.
It looks a little cold out there....
Keith
Posted by: Oregonian
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 03:02 PM
A friend of mine has built a plastic boat with "raft" exterior...(I will have to get pics to cover my poor description), they had a 200hp sport jet installed, overall length including "bumpers" is about 18' with seating for 3 brave souls. I should say 2 seated passengers and one standing operator. The intent is to go where no other boat can go, I think it will live up to that...
Posted by: hohbomb73
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 03:31 PM
The intent is to go where no other excessively loud and stinky boat can go, I think it will live up to that...
Fixed it for ya
Posted by: Oregonian
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 03:37 PM
I can live with that. There are plenty of times/places where people can play in the water without bothering any fish or fishermen.
Posted by: Sky-Guy
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 03:55 PM
I beg to differ.... There is no time when a sportjet in a medium to smaller river isnt going to bother fish.
Posted by: Oregonian
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 03:57 PM
Are there fish in every drop of water in the N.W. ?
I keep hearing about extinction and "hatchery runs"...which is it ?
Posted by: hohbomb73
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 04:00 PM
Get a kayak, dude
Posted by: mreyns_tgl
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 04:03 PM
Hmm, I'd have to walk it and look at it! I've done some pretty stupid shiat with my sled.... Heck I beached it 3 weeks ago running something that was too shallow, busted my back on the seat box when it catipulted me!
Keith
i almost forgot how cool you were
Posted by: Oregonian
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 04:08 PM
I'm not the "boat guy", I just mentioned a craft some friends invented/built, then along came an opportunity to stir the pot...
I like my peace and quiet as much, if not more, than anyone on this board.
Blasting through a herd of spawning fish is not my idea of a good time, but that doesn't mean we should ban the manufacture of pump driven boats.
Posted by: Oregonian
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 04:29 PM
They are going to do more test driving today in the bay, I will try to get there and take a few pics...maybe cause a super wad in someone's panties. If I get some pics I will start a new thread and call it Rubitar pictures.
Posted by: Sky-Guy
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 04:30 PM
Dont bother..
Posted by: Todd
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 04:36 PM
I think you should start a thread called "My Penis is So Small I had to buy a Huge Powerboat and a big truck to tow it with!"
Fish on...
Todd
Posted by: Oregonian
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 04:42 PM
Dont bother..
Looks like the "super wad" has already started to form... SWEET !
Posted by: Sky-Guy
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 04:52 PM
OreGoatian,
You are obviously suffering from Clue Deficit Disorder. I'm not going to fall into any banter back and forth with you. What I find amusing here is that you think I give a damn about your little game.
Go on and keep laughing, all by yourself.
Posted by: mreyns_tgl
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 04:55 PM
Posted by: Oregonian
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 05:07 PM
Whatever. Pics this afternoon I hope.
Hard to swallow some of the hypocracy around here sometimes.
Posted by: Brad_tgl
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 05:08 PM
Posted by: Todd
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 05:20 PM
Whatever. Pics this afternoon I hope.
Hard to swallow some of the hypocracy around here sometimes.
No one's making you sign in or read anything here.
Fish on...
Todd
Posted by: The Moderator
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 05:28 PM
No one's making you sign in or read anything here.
Tell THAT to the voices in my head. They make me do things....like check this board.
PS. On a positive note, the tinfoil hat seems to be working to keep new voices out of my head. Just can't get rid of the old annoying ones.
Posted by: Castingpearls
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 05:30 PM
If you cut some slits into the tin foil hat, it will breathe better and allow those voices to get out.
Posted by: The Moderator
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 05:32 PM
SIMMS Breathable TinFoil Hat????
Posted by: Todd
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 05:33 PM
I live about a mile from a Homeland Security Administration building...ever since they built the damn thing my phone gets all clicky every time I talk on it.
Coincidence?
I think I need to wrap my whole house in tinfoil.
Hey, Zerogonian...can I borrow some of your tinfoil?
I'll get it back to you before Tuesday night, since I'm sure you'll be needing all of it, and more, as the election results start rolling in.
Fish on...
Todd
Posted by: Castingpearls
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 05:34 PM
I predict a photoshopped picture in the near future.
Posted by: Todd
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 05:37 PM
I predict a photoshopped picture in the near future.
Always a possibility...perhaps a probability on this thread!
Did your little girl catch those fish on some of our spinners?
Fish on...
Todd
Posted by: Castingpearls
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 05:43 PM
Yes, with those peskie hootchie skirts on em.
Posted by: Todd
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 05:44 PM
Very nice! If you have any closeups of the young angler and a fish with the lure, send 'em my way...I'd love to have some in our not-yet-constructed gallery!
Fish on...
Todd
Posted by: Castingpearls
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 05:45 PM
I'll see what I have.
Posted by: stlhdr1
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 06:27 PM
Hmm, I'd have to walk it and look at it! I've done some pretty stupid shiat with my sled.... Heck I beached it 3 weeks ago running something that was too shallow, busted my back on the seat box when it catipulted me!
Keith
i almost forgot how cool you were
In all honesty, it's pretty easy................. Go ahead, tell everyone that you know what it tastes like....
Keith
Posted by: Brad_tgl
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 06:35 PM
ultimate butt hurt
Posted by: Oregonian
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 08:40 PM
No pics, just visualize a 16' Zodiak with a standup console, and a 200hp sportjet.
Not sure how the tinfoil hat thing ties in with the topic...or the election.
Posted by: escapee
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 09:16 PM
maybe we should ban all sleds, bay boats, jet skis, snow mobiles, 4x4's, atv's and dirt bikes. We could then drive Prius cars, sailboats, and use hiking boots. The same lame old arguements and complaints never change. And as far as harming the fish, I see fly guys up to their armpits tromping all over spawning beds every year on the Skagit. Doing way more damage than my boat ever has.
Posted by: hohbomb73
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 10/31/08 09:43 PM
$500
Posted by: gregsalmon
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 11/02/08 06:01 PM
Okay, so the feeling of those here is that even the the Hoh nation uses sleds to drift net the river we should not use sleds to fish with hook and line there?
Posted by: escapee
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 11/02/08 07:13 PM
I've heard all the rumors and read all the stories of the bad that will happen if one dares to run a sled on the peninsula. I know 2 different guys who have run their boats over there and had no problems with vandalism. One of the guys had some serious problems with a big boulder though. Personally I'm not concerned with either of those things but I still won't run my boat there.
Posted by: Todd
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 11/02/08 09:01 PM
Okay, so the feeling of those here is that even the the Hoh nation uses sleds to drift net the river we should not use sleds to fish with hook and line there?
Yes.
Fish on...
Todd
Posted by: Addicted
Re: sleds on the Hoh - 11/03/08 12:15 AM
Holy crap! I don't read the board for a few days, I come back, and wow, this thread is still going.