Regs

Posted by: Ofishal Bizness

Regs - 06/09/16 09:59 PM

So I haven't posted in awhile... And I apologize for posting a rant but...

This is the new regs for below Bonnevile

Daily bag limit: Daily salmonid limit is 6 fish (hatchery chinook or hatchery steelhead), of which no more than two may be adult chinook or steelhead, and no more than one may be an adult chinook. Release all wild chinook and wild steelhead. Salmon minimum size: 12 inches.

We actually PAY people to write that $h!t?

My third grade granddaughter could have done it with half the words and made it clearer.
Posted by: DrifterWA

Re: Regs - 06/10/16 04:39 AM

I agree....."Wow'em with [Bleeeeep!] and confuse them with the same [Bleeeeep!]"..I'm thinking there must be 100's of hours spent trying to keep the taxpaying general public at a confused, frustrated state of mind.
Posted by: Carcassman

Re: Regs - 06/10/16 07:16 AM

OK. Let's see some examples of better, clearer, and shorter.
Posted by: Bay wolf

Re: Regs - 06/10/16 07:40 AM

Daily limit: Only hatchery fish may be retained. A total of 6 fish maybe retained in one of the following combination: See examples below.

a.) 1 adult Chinook, I adult Steelhead, 4 juvenile fish. (Limit)
b.) 2 Adult Steelhead, 4 juvenile fish. (Limit)
c.) 6 Juvenile fish. (Limit)

Release all wild fish.
Min. size 12"
Posted by: fish4brains

Re: Regs - 06/10/16 07:51 AM

sound it out
Posted by: MPM

Re: Regs - 06/10/16 09:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Carcassman
OK. Let's see some examples of better, clearer, and shorter.


I'll take a crack...

Daily bag limit: Daily salmonid limit is 6 hatchery chinook or hatchery steelhead, of which no more than two may be adult, and no more than one may be an adult chinook. Release all other salmonids. Salmon minimum size: 12 inches.
Posted by: Ofishal Bizness

Re: Regs - 06/10/16 09:35 AM

What Baywolf said!

How difficult is that to understand.
Posted by: Carcassman

Re: Regs - 06/10/16 11:47 AM

The more I read it, the more **cked up it is.

By defining salmonids as (only) hatchery chinook and steelhead they have closed pink, chum, coho, and sockeye. Which may be the intent but they should be clearer. I think MPM said it well. A steelhead is defined, I believe, as a rainbow over 20" so this particular reg does not deal with juvenile steelhead (trout).
Posted by: Ofishal Bizness

Re: Regs - 06/11/16 08:28 AM

And a bunch of the regs read like this especially when they publish emergency rules.

I just gripes me that we pay people to write these and they end up looking like the person who wrote them this is their first time ever dealing with the English language.
Posted by: DrifterWA

Re: Regs - 06/12/16 09:09 AM

2016-2017.......WDFW did go back to the alphabetic listing of rivers and lakes in Western Washington.......this gets a "gold star", it really was a pain in the a$$ to find, quickly, a river the way the 2015-2016 pamphlet was written.
Posted by: Larry B

Re: Regs - 06/12/16 09:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Carcassman
The more I read it, the more **cked up it is.

By defining salmonids as (only) hatchery chinook and steelhead they have closed pink, chum, coho, and sockeye. Which may be the intent but they should be clearer. I think MPM said it well. A steelhead is defined, I believe, as a rainbow over 20" so this particular reg does not deal with juvenile steelhead (trout).



Under the "Definitions" section Salmonids is defined as "Fish of the family salmonidae, includes: salmon, trout and whitefishes." So the wording would seem to also eliminate whitefish. Was that their intent?

I actually think the wording is okay although the other versions work too. My observation is that when they provide a minimum size for one of the harvestable species they should concurrently do so for the rest; that is, include the 20 inch minimum for steelhead.

Edit: Should be interesting to read the public's proposed salt water rule changes when they are published for general review and comment.



Posted by: Carcassman

Re: Regs - 06/12/16 09:45 AM

But by including only hatchery steelhead and chinook in the parenthesis they excluded the other salmon, all the trout, and whitefish.

I suspect the reg was written by a salmon manager who did not realize that trout were salmonids. Or that there were other salmon as the goal was to fish hatchery chinook and steelhead.
Posted by: Dan S.

Re: Regs - 06/12/16 09:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Carcassman
But by including only hatchery steelhead and chinook in the parenthesis they excluded the other salmon, all the trout, and whitefish.

I suspect the reg was written by a salmon manager who did not realize that trout were salmonids. Or that there were other salmon as the goal was to fish hatchery chinook and steelhead.


cripes
Posted by: slabhunter

Re: Regs - 06/12/16 10:23 AM

What? Some people are book smart, but have no good sense and sound judgment in practical matters? LOL
Posted by: Larry B

Re: Regs - 06/12/16 11:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Myassisdragon
Can,

We've been suspecting that the management force was about this sharp for many, many, some even say 2 many years now...


Did you mean two years or too many years? grin

They probably gave it to an attorney to tweak .......
Posted by: Carcassman

Re: Regs - 06/12/16 11:59 AM

Actually, they did better when they had an attorney help write the WACs and rules. Forced them to write what they exactly meant. Got rid of him.
Posted by: slabhunter

Re: Regs - 06/12/16 12:54 PM

They also did away with the support for the Aquatic Education program at local schools. Volunteer instructors taught about regulations, size limits, species identification, and fishing ethics.
Posted by: Carcassman

Re: Regs - 06/12/16 04:17 PM

Penny wise, ton foolish
Posted by: Chum Man

Re: Regs - 06/12/16 04:19 PM

wonder what the thought process is, "hey, let's pay someone $250 so we can fish 50 feet from the parking lot!"

same goes for most guides down there that pound the quarter mile around the boat launch.
Posted by: Carcassman

Re: Regs - 06/12/16 04:26 PM

Well, if you don't have a boat or really don't know what you're doing......