We tried to warn you about PRES Elect GWB

An expected but bothersome article was released by the LA Times-Washington Post Service (Wash. DC) earlier this week that made it on the front page of Tuesday's Oregonian newspaper. All you guys that tried to post denials that Gee Dub would be detrimental to fish and the environment, likely because his agenda would help you personally more, should eat your words along with the extra polution and slaughter coming to a town near you in the not-too-distant future. ....

It is a factual artical written by Ester Schrader and Elizabeth Shogren of the Washington (DC) Post Service. It tells of Bush's inevitable changes that will serve big business at the expense of people's safety and the environment! Read the article and what is coming that we warned of. To quote from the article: "Bush was propelled into the presidency by donations from entrepreneurs and financial and business interests at a level never seen before". It also quoted John Claybrook, former head of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and current key member of the advocacy group 'Public Citizen', as saying "We expect them (Bush regime) to systematically stop certain things and to underfund others. They will probably take a really harsh look at anything that happened in the last three months of the Clinton administration. ... Getting regulatory activity going again will be very difficult, at least in a positive way". ...

In other words, people's health and forests aren't going to be the only things that will be sacrificed for bigger corporate profits. Read the article!

LA Times, Washington Post Service and The Oregonian all promenent papers but don't believe everything they print. It's kinda like the guy that caught a 30 lb. steelie out of "can't tell you where creek". But what do I know...I'm just a smolt around here. Thight Lines

Ono4fish,
What do you consider a reliable source of information?

Stinkfoot,

I consider a reliable source to be the horse's mouth.

Who would that be? Shrub?

I think you have things turned around...

George W was very WELL funded. By whom and what is a good question. I suspect he owes alot of people, which is scary. Then theres the republican agenda(rich get richer) and big buisness can do no wrong. Seems like we will be in for a rocky 4 years.
And yes there will be more logging you can count on that.

Seems funny how there's an energy shortage right about now. Could be boom time for AK oil in refuge areas.

You can bet any oil exploration in alaska will be given to Texas oil interests. GW Bush has no integrity. Listen to his speaches they are always Great America this, Heroic people that but there is never any substance fult patriotic fluff. His adgenda is to do whatever his friends tell him too. He won the popularity vote among the business special interests.

I haven't read the article in question. What I do know is that the liberal media has a way of twisting what the republicans say to suit their own purposes. Conversely when President Pinocheo is screwing us over or commiting some crime against the Constitution they spin it into something that makes him look like a saint. I agree with Ono4fish.

Give it a rest RT. Until something real happens, this is hypothesizing and bs. Your guys were no saints, Gores' biggest holding is Occidental Petroleum. The same OP that won the contract to do exploration in the Rain Forrest area. Our economy is unravelling faster than snot and has been over the last year. Now GW has to come in and try to fix it.

The Democratic controlled State of WA has done nothing to ban nets or remove dams. This we know for sure (and yes, there was a repub candidate who had a plan to save the fish!). Why don't you try taking a few pop shots at them versus a guy whos not even in office yet. Your party is very easy to pick on also.....

Respectfully,

Steve

If you want a more reliable source of information, check out a foreign newspaper, say Canadian or French. The domestic media is too interested in catering to gov't appointees and agencies to publish much truth.
Sorry if that level of cycnicism offends people.
Since this is pretty much a Democratic State, in both house and senate representation, and Geedub is a republican, and didnt carry this state, I think we're in for a pretty rough 4 years, at least from the federal perspective. On the other hand, though, Republicans seem to like international politics, and we could gain some ground regarding the high seas fishery.
Only, however, if our specific interests (sport fisheries) can be made into a big enough dollar issue to attract some attention from big business or lobbyists.
Give it some consideration. The spotted owlists made their biggest advances during repub admins, and we're basically greenies, too. (Maybe I shouldnt have said that, it'll pi** off a lot of people, but Oh well.)
Let's hear some more opinions.

Great point about the Demacratic leadership in Washington State doing next to nothing in terms of increasing fishing opportunities for rec fishers. Their hearts bleed so badly for the tribes that they give away the sports share without a whimper(not a knock on the tribes...I would take all the steelhead I could get away with too). I can't see GW doing any worse. At least he likes to hunt and fish and therefore will be more able to put his-self in our hipboots. My other thought is that no matter if you're a candidate, a Florida State Supreme court judge, a Supreme court judge or a steelheader with too much time on his hands.....you will have political bias that will keep you from seeing the truth....which will generally lie somewhere between the two points of view. Liberal paper...liberal rhetoric. Give GW a chance before you label him a failure.

Why do I get the feeling we've been around this stump before? I've got an idea, what say we all go fishing...then we can all get back and share some of the stories!!

Steve J, you tell me to "respectfully, ... give it a rest"...? I respectfully suggest you pull the sack off your head and watch Gee Dub unleash the foxes in the hen house - big time! I'm one of the people that can hear a branch cracking in a tree I'm under, look up at it break lose in a free fall right at me, and know it's going to land on me if I don't move, w/o having to stand there and let it hit me on the head first to be sure it is actually going to happen. When the branch smacks you we will try not to say 'told ya so' too harshly. ... BTW, as I've said all along, I'm not a 'Gore fan'; as you seem to characterise me and others that felt forced to vote for that chump.

Same old tired liberal scare tactics. The sky is falling! The sky is falling! But if you'd just elect our guy he'll have all the solutions! Geez, give it a rest and go fishin' will ya?

There is not as much difference between the Democrat party and Republican party as they would like us to believe.During the election they try to highlight their differences to get your vote.Much or most of the rhetoric is BS.
The Demos are just as big business as the GOP when it comes down to it.Consider that it was Al Gore(remember him debating Ross Perot ?) and Bill Clinton that gave us GATT and NAFTA.The same guy who wrote Earth in the Balance wants our economy to compete head on with other countries that have no environmental protection agency to speak of.How long before we have to damn our own environment to compete ?Who is tied firmly to Tyson Seafoods? Bill Clinton.Who actively courts those nitwits that would ban our fishing because hooks cause pain? What has Clinton,Gore,Locke,Lowery or Gardiner done that is notable and successful in regards to the environment and fish?If you follow any party blindly you will be taken for granted.Bush deserves a chance before condemnation.Gore,Clinton and Locke have all had their chance.They did nothing for the environment.

Well; We have a vested and common interest here, and yes we've waltzed around this stump many times b4. Deja vu anyone? Now, however, there's an opportunity. Take a senator fishing, or something else to get his ear. There's a Dem. majority in the senate, dont know about the house, and a GOP going into the Oval.
Sounds like gridlock, but it could be a good thing with a little less talk and a lot more action. In partisan politics each side likes to outdo the other, jockeying for favor at the next election.
One of the reasons the tribes have prevailed so well for so long is that they have better whiners (lobbyists) in DC, going "Oh poor us, have pity on the red man."
Simply stated, as long as we've had our TV and our beer, we've been complacent with our situation. "Going Fishing" is parallel to why Chief Truckee and his son Winnemucca didnt do so well at a time when they could have changed history. (Read about it.)
Now, the times and the needs of the times have changed. If we fail to take an active role in the preservation of our interest, it may well vanish. There's no difference between what we're wanting and what Ducks Unlimited has achieved, other than applied effort.
Rhetoric without application wont cut it.
Geedub may appear to run the country, but try to have him sell something without senate approval. That's where the seat of power is. We have a new Senator, and she may be vulnerable. I dont know her, but someone must. Get to her & see what can be done. Someone, please, or arrange an introduction and I'll try.
More opinions?????

As a past Pres. once said READ MY LIPS!! Get over it, forget about it and go fishing. I wonder if Clinton will teach GW how to smoke cigars in the Oval Office?

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Tight Lines!!

the Majority of GW's campaign was funded by big oil. You can bet that he has some favors to repay ( i.e. Alaskan Nat Wildlife refuge). Hmmm, interesting how the American's American would allow 25% of that oil to be sent to other countries (plan for ANWR).
At least he didn't appoint dirty Slade as sec of the interior. (Gale Norton was appointed today)

Slade could have made a decent Secy of interior. After all the associated tribal governments had a problem with him, didnt they?

Guess what you republican *edited*, the economy since clinton was in office has prospered more then any other time during our life times. The dams did not get removed because of Slade Gorton, he has done everything in his power since we started talking dam removal and since the Clinton administration allocated the money in the early 1990's to do so. But there was that *edited* rally his big friends with the corporate dollars to stop something that will help us all, the fish included. So all of you who voted for G.W. we will all pay the price of lost opportunity and further loss of habitat, you can all *edited*.
Peace Superfly

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Lets all agree to disagree and move on here.

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I think 'Headhunter is on to something with his "take a Senator fishing" comment.

What if you fishing guides could organize (re:donate) a competition amongst the politicians?

One Senator per guide for one day of fishing?
I know you would not be able to get Senators to attend on the same day (cause they have to look like they are earning their pay) but maybe a running competition.
I think it would be a good way to show the Senators the real truth. (no pun)

I don't know, maybe it is just to damn early and I am still dreaming.

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"Just Say No To Sovereign Nations!"

Here's something nobody posting on this seems to be noticing. Our votes had nothing to do with who won the presidency. GW lost both Washington and Oregon. Go fishing and do something productive.

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Superfly,

When you measure the prosperity of a market under someones watch you measure from the start to the end. Clintons rocket has severely fizzeled. Look around, the nasdaq that powered this has been cut by 65%, layoffs are abounding, etc etc. You can't take a snapshot from when the markets were good and say "he did great", without looking at where he is leaving us. Highest gas prices ever???

BTW - dildo and 'kiss my ass' are nice comments from someone that wants all of us republicans to go out and buy your new hooks your pushing. Vision, right?

...and in typical liberal fashion, lacking any facts, logic or reasoning, Superfly has to resort to profane hateful slander of anyone who disagrees with his point of view...

Great debate, who is ahead? The Senate is a 50/50 split but the V.P. has a vote on any ties, the house of Reps. has a slight Republican lead but there will be an election in 2 years so that will likely change, if history repeats it's self. Where is WIT45 CAl? has he changed his name? Can't believe he hasn't responded.
Contacting your representatives in goverment the first step in having your voice heard. Remember that a letter sent by snail mail counts more than a phone call or e-mail. I'm not saying don't call and e-mail do that also, but print out what you would have e-maied and sign it and send it with a stamp. Maria Cantwell has made a commitment to visit every county each year while she is in office, so when she comes to your county at least go to see her and let her hear what you think. If you don't take an active part in your goverment than don't complain when it does something you don't like. With the loss of the catch and release steelhead season on the Puget Sound rivers most should have a few minutes to write at least one letter to each of your elected officials. Send the same letter just change the name and address of the person. By the way buth Bush and Gore had less than 20% of the popular vote of registered voters. Bush had 17.5% and Gore had just over 18% Neither had a great mandate of the people to rule. Remember that our form of goverment only works because we allow ourselves to be ruled and we do this by electing people to defend our interests, let them know what your interests are. Off the soap box.

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Lets see, I use to be a republican until they turned there back on the middle class. I use to be a logger until I saw what bad logging practices where doing to the enviroment. I am unaffiliated as fare as parties go, I vote for who I think is going to take care of what littl enviroment, fishing and hunting we have left. Did any of you right wingers ever spend any time in wyoming during the reagan watt era? they basically sold the american public out with there abuses to our blm land. Old James figured it was so far away from most people that it would not matter.
These kind of abuses will continue to go on in the G.W.B years, hopefully it will only last four years.
And if you don't think it isn't going to happen your fooling yourself, G.W.B had allot of friends put him where he is , so they are going to be looking for a little pay back at the cost of our natural resources.
Yeah I was wrong going off and using bad language, but that is what it takes sometimes to get peoples attention, and if I just got one person to think then I have done what I needed to do, look deep inside the republican agenda and see where you the sportsman fit in, No Where, sorry guys
Peace Superfly

Be a good little superfly and BUZZ off!!

I'm a "right-winger" and Superfly is inlightened. Suddenly I feel humbled by a level of conscienceness so far superior that I need to go fishing to help me get over my depression!

"Take a Senator or Congressman fishing" I like that. Just think of the fishing lies they would tell.

Hey superfly guess who the first "environmental" president was? A Republican named Theodore Roosevelt.Actually come to think of it which president has done as much as TR for wildlife and the environment? Clinton/Carter? LOL.It makes as much sense to use Roosevelt as Reagan to prejudge the man before he takes office.He deserves a chance before condemnation.
As far as economy,you would have to credit a Republican Congress as much as a Democrat Executive branch wouldn't you?Fair is fair.
Also James Watt was an Albatross around the Republican party's neck.I doubt you will see that mistake twice.Certainly assuming Bush will reappoint another Watt is pretty much irrational at this point.
Nice try with the attempt at making the Democrat party a friend of the sportsman.Not.
Slade Gorton was the reason the dams were not removed? Well,I guess we can expect to see them removed now,huh?

Why don't all of you republicans with all the right answers and G.W.B rethoric stop talking and go fishing, seems to me that I post one reply to what is happening politicly and every redneck in the country is on fire, If you guys are all jacked up like that, you must be buying your coke from the same guy G.W.B gets his from.
Now one of the most famous quotes of the 90's
"can't we all just get along"
Peace Superfly

Hey Mountin' Man, after reading the last post, I'd say your up again. You could basically do a copy/past of your last one and it would work just fine. Now we're redneck coke users.......

...again in true liberal fashion, Superfly, standing as a shining example of a typical Gore supporter and lacking a more cerebral argument, continues spewing his hateful attacks against those whos opinions don't match his own while out of the other side of his mouth attempts to portray himself as a victim in this exchange and laments "can't we all just get along?" This appears to be a tactic taken straight out of the liberal playbook. We'll report more details as they come in. Back to you, Bob...

So Mr Superfly maybe with your all encompassing knowledge and your previously displayed abilities to carry on a intelligent discussion maybe you can explain a few things to me.

1) Clinton/Gore had control for the last eight years, if Gore is fishing and environment friendly why have these situations not improved in those wonderful eight years?

2) If you attribute the economic growth 100% over the last eight years to Clinton/Gore then you need to do some more research on what spurned the growth and then we can discuss this one. Do you actually know why the economy grew so rapidly?

3) Democrats with similar principles to Gore have controlled the State of Washington for the last twenty years. Why has the fishing and environment in this state deteriorated so much (in this time) if these are issues this group has at the top of their list? BTW we are about the find out where Gov. Locke's really stands with the fishing? I bet he does not enforce the 9th circuits ruling here!!

the last eight years was nice, but Nowhere near the most prosperous ecomonic times or this century - again, some reasearch is in order for you?

One final note - if that company that you own -Vision Hooks - joins the ranks of taxpayers, you will see things differently.

First the powers that be in D.C. never really care about the NW. Second there are general things about each party: Democrats will do more for the environment, poor people, funding for retraining of laid off workers, etc. Republicans care more about big buisness, wealthy people, tax cuts, etc. And no administration has really done any thing about high seas drift nets (still going on) or our energy crisis, which has been going on since 1974. Proably best to be concerned about state first then nation? thanks.

Stadle, you took the words right out of my mouth. Lets see what kind of intelligent comebacks the superfly can come up with. DanS, I would hope you don't answer them for him. If somebody is going to generalize me as a redneck coke user then he can stand on his own big mouth an answer the above questions posted to him from Stadle. Superfly, I can promise you one thing for certain. I will do everything I can to let every tackle store here on the east side know where you and your company stand.You are a far left radical!!!! I for one will use baling wire before I ever use one of your hooks!! You appear to be nothing more than a loud mouth punk!! Someday I hope to run into you on the river and I'll show you some real redneck courtesy?!!?!

Whatever, The last thing I am is Left wing! You know just because I don't like the republican party because of the way they turned there back on the middle class does not mean that. I was not a Gore Supporter either, Niether of our 2 big presidential canidates deserve to be there. The most qualified people for the job are in private industry making millions running big corporations. It is a sad state of affairs when that is the best this country can do.
There are probably better people that are members on this site than we have in office.
As far as making threats to Me personally, Grow Up!
This board was never meant to be an I am better than you or you pissed me off so I am going to kick your ass type of thing.
Peace Superfly

Now that last post was more like the real Joe Superfisky that I know. --- Let me tell you guys something I've learned over the last year as a fishing BB moderator, and meeting lots of people. While this is a good forum to communicate thru, it does have it's drawbacks. You don't personally know most of the guys that are posting things on here, so you don't know the true depth of negative comments from any given individual. You also can't see their face or hear their voice inflection. Experts say that 3/4ths of meaningful communication is garnered from facial expression, voice expression, and body language. I think I am a pretty good judge of people's true character once I've been around them in person enough. I have found that some I thought were people I'd like to be friends with going by their BB posting style aren't really someone I would want to be friends with; and visa versa. Initially, Joe was one of these posting type's that could put me off at times. Since I've met him in person and gone to party and fish with him, I see how he really is. NOT as he comes off with his posting style. He just happens to be a very exuberant guy that isn't really aware of how he can come off at times. But he is definitely a good guy. During some of our discussions I was right up front with him concerining that issue. He had a tendancy to spam on about how many fish he catches (he is a good fishermen). He had no idea how he came off to others by doing that. People don't care for that. I thought he might be a little mad a me for bringing it up; but ya know what, he was completely understanding about it, not vindictive one bit, and has toned down coming off like that. This occured directly between us. I've have recently done the same thing with exhuberant Keith (Stlhdr1) publicly in the "Kalama" thread where he went off about how good he is at fishing and how he wanted to have money contests in steelhead fishing; and that he catches hundreds of fish every year and catches them when nobody else can. Keith just wasn't aware of how bad he was coming off to most people by that kind of spamming. I posted my advise to him in that thread, about cutting that back and just get out and fish for the shere enjoyment of it, rather than try to kick everyone's @$$. I have talked to Keith on the phone a few times and he sounds like a better guy than his posts make him sound. And I am a better guy than my condescending opinionated political posts make me sound. There's something for all of us to learn here. ... Let me re-emphasize that Joe (Superfly) is a geniune good guy, and if you got to know him and understood what he's been thru in his life and how he learned to communcate. .... As for his Vision tackle products, you obviouly can do what you want. Let me just say that it would be unfortunate if you wouldn't consider them because of Joe's rant in a political thread. There are a lot of young hard working people trying to make Vision sucessful by producing a good product at a better price. We all 'go off' to varying degrees within political discussions. I know they haven't made me very popular with some people. Perhaps I shouldn't have brought it up again by starting this thread. In fact, it was basically a 'We told you so' post. I wish I hadn't done it now. GWB will soon enough expose his agenda more clearly. I hope his legacy will help the country more than hurt it. I don't want the guy to fall on his face just out of vindictiveness toward his priorities. That's not right. If his regime does more negative than postive than I hope that will be reflected in the Congressional elections in 2 years and the Pres election in 4 years. With that said I hope we can now close this thread and get on to fishing discussions. Thanks. - Steve Hanson (RT)

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!
Peace Superfly

Superfly- I agree with you, there are better candidates right here on this board. I will come to your "big business" for a campaign contribution soon.

Everyone else- I tend to think that it is unfair to judge GW at this point on his federal environmental record. To my knowledge, I am the most decorated environmental steward on this site and I am eager for a change in national policy. I hope the Bush administration opts to hear my views and honor me as the Clinton white house did.

As to the blanket statements regarding for whom the parties stand for....hogwash, all of it. The fact is that both parties court everyone in sight. Big business as a general rule donates more to the ruling party (a check with the FEC will confirm this)and this election cycle was no different. Democrats do in fact have a different business demographic but big business is big business. I am sure that none of you (except self-employed and subject to taxes of same) work for a poor person, I don't. Unless you are willing to hang a few million dollars of your net worth on the line for a good idea you never will. The best you can do is try to keep the gov't from going deeper into your pockets.
If you must attack republicans (I am one and proud of it) on our policies, please provide facts to back up your assertions. Tell us specifically what policies, initiatives and laws about which you are speaking and their negative impact on the american people.
I'm not trying to start an argument here I just grow weary of the attacks ad-nauseum like hand grenades. Just throw them out and see if anyone can refute them. I, for one, am willing and able and have done so many times on this board. Democrats have done nothing substantive over the last twenty years for the fish and wildlife in the NW and I'm sure that the GOP can do no worse but we will all see in the not-so-distant future. This concludes my only post on this thread barring any personal attacks or genuine thought provoking questions. (please excuse the spelling but the twins are hungry and time is short)

Thanks for the input RT, but since I don't know you any better than I know the Superfly himself, your "endorsement" of him as a "good guy" does not mean much, but the manner in which he conducts himself on a public BB does.

The potshots at certain people/groups (who simply have a different view than him) ,the manner in which he attempts to view is opinion as fact, and they way he ignores simple questions after flaming posts all speak volumes for his character.

have a nice day

R.T.,As you can attest we have debated back and forth over the last year on political issues. I have never promised any butt wuppins to anyone nor has anyone promised one back. But superfly came off way to strong! I'll stick with my personal(computor)opinion of him and his ideas. I guess I should of asked YOU and DanS to let superfly defend himself. He still hasn't answered the questions asked of himself by Stadle.Amen and peace bro.. Superfly I ask you again to back up your statements about us fired up redneck coke sniffin reps....As far as running a business goes I would think that I could be much more tactful and informed before slammin my political ideals. He has only hurt his stance in the fishing industry as far as I'm concerned.. And as I said before I will let his opinions be known to a few people I personally know in the fishing industry!! R.T., as far as your post goes I readily agree about the ability to "read" peoples minds without seeing/meeting them in person... I certaintly have my opinions about a few of you folks. R.T., every once in awhile I feel like you can jump on the"radical" side but other then your dem. views I think we could closely relate on alot of issues. The same goes with a few of you other hardcore Dems. that I've debated back and forth with.. I've learned things from you guys and hopefully I helped conversely. You guys have a happy New Year!!

Damn, RT; that was a long one, I hope I got the point of what it was you were trying to say. I dont have a problem with Superfly, Ive been cussed at and about so many times, it's a lot like water off a ducks backside. You guys should have worked for my former boss. He tried, but there was never any fresh meat in any of the chunks he bit off my backside.
The way I see it, this Geedub bizness is all sort of premature. Yeah, he owes big oil, and he'll probably be able to pay off. Partisan politics really won't have a big role in what happens next, it'll probably be sold in the name of "National interest" in some manner. (There's a energy shortage at the moment).
What I have a problem with is the fact our own representation doesnt appear to give much of a damn about the dwindling native or even hatchery fish, (not just steelhead), and they arent even willing or dont have the courage to pursue federal support for better treaties about the high seas fishery, or to take a stronger stance on the existing treaties.
I saw a blurb in the Olympia fishwrap that the Nisqually is under emergency closure for chum, (A little late?), and WDFW is claiming the problem is ocean mortality. Spin job. Seems that seals are entering the rivers to hunt, probably because there's no food in the salt. Where are the fish? Netted by the international fishery.
Why does this happen? There's more big$$$ involved, and we get the hind teat. All the blather about habitat remediation and preservation that spins up the liberal population and has created such a buzz for the media only sells airtime for the electronic media and pulp for the newsprint producers. AND grows more fish for the short term international fish market, but noone is paying attention to necessities of preservation of the species (like reduced harvests, etc), because of the smoke and mirrors in the political arena.
There's the heart of the matter, as I see it.
Sport fishery is the tail end of the fishery based economic food chain, and will continue that way, (how does it feel to be the red-headed step child?) unless we can find a way to get the attention of big business or big politics. No-one in the power brokerage in either DC or Oly cares enough or has enough interest to head off the impending disaster, so long as the tax revenues continue to roll in from the commercial fisheries.
WDFW and their protective efforts are a joke, (once again as I see it). They regulate the sport fishery, because that's really all they can do. If there was no sport fishery, they would be disenfranchised, and subsequently, unemployed. As long as there's a closed loop in Oly, that will never happen.
Ah, hell, I'm rambling, and venting again. Happy New Year everyone, Go catch fish tomorrow, if you can find'em.

It is pointless to make politics personal.But,I can't blame others who feel differently when they/we are called names.If Superfly had made his posts without the personal attacks,i'll bet nobody would be upset.Perhaps he didn't mean any real offense as other posts would indicate.I guess i'll give him the same benefit of the doubt that he won't extend to Bush.
As long as vision hooks can produce a reasonable product for a great price,I'll still buy 'em.

If it's all the same to you guys, I think I'll just stay out of this one. There's no election coming up, but there IS a ROSE BOWL coming up. GO DAWGS !!!!


Fish on..........

Reel Truth-

I'm a civil service employee (Firefighter). Trust me if you make a complaint to a supervisor it will be investigated. Often investigations are as simple as a little Q&A session and other times they are performed in greater detail. If this warden is causing this much trouble I'm sure her boss would want to know about it. Besides it sounds as if she's creating a pore public image of a game warden.

Huh? Did I miss a post or something? What lady? Let me know ..... and GO DAWGS AND BEAVERS.

RT:
I think Freedrifter got confused with Doubletake's topic about gamewardens searches.

Thanks HH. I remember seeing that thread but it didn't occur to me. ... Free', thanks for the info. I think the incident should be reported to her supervisor. And others like that. Most of the enforcement people are pretty fair, but there are those power abuser types.