what kind of fish?(pic)

Posted by: catchin_steel

what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 02:09 AM

i know this may be a stupid question but this fish is 22lbs 34in long girth unknown but fat i know what this fish is supposed to be but it just doesn't look right to me.notice the spots behind the gill plate what is this fish?
http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/uploads/UP1883.jpg
Posted by: FishDoctor

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 02:23 AM

That looks like a Atlantic Salmon, good to eat, bad to have swimming in PNW waters.
Most likely an escaped fish from a net pen but then again they have been documented spawning in Canadian rivers, hope you had a nice dinner.
Dr.
Posted by: Easy Limits

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 02:32 AM

Looks to me like a mammoth brown trout.


Atlantics have three spots on the gill plate.
Posted by: Dogfish

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 02:35 AM

Atlantic Salmon? I can't see the gill plate very clearly to check for spots, but it is a fat fish.
Posted by: catchin_steel

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 02:36 AM

this fish was taken in lake michigan and they claim it is a steelie,but i just don't see it that way it was even brought to a taxidermist for mounting.
Posted by: catchin_steel

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 02:47 AM

here is another pic i don't know how to get the pic to just pop up like EL did so i will just post the link
http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/uploads/UP1885.jpg
Posted by: Easy Limits

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 02:49 AM



Hmmmm.... Now I don't know. Could be a rainbow or coho. To pretty to be a laker (Mackinaw).
Posted by: catchin_steel

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 02:55 AM

i am kind of leaning towards a big coho myself but hard to tell
Posted by: JacobF

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 04:44 AM

It's not a coho. It has a square tale and coho have forked tales.
Posted by: FishNg1

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 05:07 AM

I would say that is an Atlantic, those spots are the give away sign. Notice how they are not round, kinda rectangular almost. Use those in the restaurant business all the time, and don't believe in all that anti-farming rhetoric that (I believe) the commercial guys are spreading. Most of the general public can't tell the difference in taste from the so called "Wild salmon" that the guys from the fleet down the street have been advertizing.
Funny how that lately some of the Commercial boats have been posting signs that state "Wild Salmon for Sale" off their vessels.....these fantastic tasting fish are none other than Chums....yuk!

Ng
Posted by: Bob

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 09:20 AM

While I'm certainly no expert on them (never seen one in person), from all the pix I've seen, I'd say an Atlantic as well.

Ceratinly isn't a steelhead ...
Posted by: Smalma

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 10:07 AM

Easy limits was correct the first time - Brown trout!

Coloration and body shape is typical of those large lake dwelling browns found in waters with good forage. Believe there have been Grerat Lake browns caught that push 40#.
Tight lines
Smalma
Posted by: Bob

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 10:57 AM

Ah-ah ... Smalma knows all smile

I had thought about that, but the coloration comapred to the pix I've seen of them from that area didn't seem right. But then again, can't say I've ever fished for tham and don't know all that much about them!

I've seen some articles on the monster browns, I think the current world record cam from some tailwater fishery in Arkansas or nearby and I seem to recall some mention of some of the Great lakes area browns.

I just ran a quick search for a Great lakes brown pic and here's one:



Perhaps spawning colors I imagine as opposed to the one referred to in the thread?
Posted by: h2o

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 11:09 AM

What'd they use, a telephone pole to bonk that fish?

(the brighter one)
Posted by: mudslinger

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 11:15 AM

i would have to say it is a seeforelen brown trout i have fished lake superior and lake michigan a lot i lived in wisconsin and minnesota and have taken a lot of browns look at that big belly typical brown,they are known for their football shape.that pic of the brown bob found wow that thing looks like it was in the smoker already sun dried trout mmmmmmmmm its funny that the taxidermist that he brought it to couldn't have told him it wasn't a steelhead he must have a lot of experience eek
Posted by: cowlitzfisherman

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 11:26 AM

Maybe that's why they call them "Brown Trout"…because they are somewhat brown in color! That fish does not appear to have the coloring of the browns that I have seen. Most of the ones I have seen have a light olive brown color when first caught and turn darker the longer they are out of water. It's entirely possible that this fish may have been a freaky cross breed of nature or man.

I had heard that years ago they had played around with a bunch of different species of salmon and steelhead in developing that lakes fishery, and I am pretty sure that they even tried to do some cross breeding to develop a species of fish that would successfully survive and reproduce there. I know that the Cowlitz stocks of salmon and steelhead played a big role in developing that fishery. And look what a genetic mess we have here (especially steelhead)!

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Posted by: Steelymann

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 12:08 PM

I fished for browns in the great lakes area some time ago. The browns we caught in some of the tributaries ranged from chrome fish that looked like a salmonoid, to yellow bellyed pigs, to fish that had a rust colored stripe across their side. With those fosh they are all brown but all different. If I had a scanner I'd post some pics.

~steelymann~ thumbs
Posted by: Easy Limits

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 06:42 PM

The big oblong spots are very distinguishable. Many browns in E. WA look like the first picture (the fish are not as big though).
Posted by: spawnout

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 11:40 PM

Looks like an atlantic salmon to me - those "peacock spots" kind of give it away. But it could be a brown trout - atlantic salmon and brown trout are fairly closely related and I have seen brown's of that size and brightness - pictures of them anyway. Brown trout would be a common catch in Lake Michigan - the only way an atlantic salmon could get up there is through the locks, but along with lampreys and alewives that's certainly possible. Sure not any kind of pacific salmon or steelhead.
Posted by: Titanium Cranium

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/21/02 11:54 PM

Steelhead and Atlantics are a closer link. The yellowish tinted halo around the spot is the dead giveaway, and the first thing I thought of when I saw it. This is a brown. My next thought was Atlantic because of the brightness. I have to admit though I have never seen a brown that had that much silver on it. Even in the dead of winter. That may be the difference of coming from a lake with depth and a difference in forage.
Posted by: downtime

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/22/02 08:14 PM

I'm gonna have to say a seaforllean on that one. That fish looks to have a square tail, usually a dead give away of a brown. From what I've heard the way you can tell the difference between a seaforllean and an atlantic, is an atlantic has more of a forked tail as opposed to the browns which have a square tail. The story of that fish was posted on the Wi reports on the steelheadsite, and was caught in a Wi trib.
Posted by: Lane

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/22/02 08:38 PM

You guys ever consider a hybrid?
Maybe?
Posted by: cowlitzfisherman

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/22/02 09:20 PM

Hellow!!!

Quote:
Originally posted by Lane:
You guys ever consider a hybrid?
Maybe?
What did you think I just said in my above posting???? slap slap slap

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Posted by: spawnout

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/22/02 11:35 PM

Titanium, steelhead are Onchornynchus mykiss, same genus as pacific salmon. Atlantic salmon are Salmo Salar and brown trout Salmo trutta, same genus, different species, but both are a different genus than steelhead, so atlantics and browns are more closely related to each other than to steelhead. All are family Salmonidae. Do I still remember my Fish 101 or what sleep

Showed that pic to my Aunt Bobbi, a Lake Michigan salmon slayer if there ever was one, and she said it was a brown trout and has caught several that were bigger. I'm convinced thumbs
Posted by: Easy Limits

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/23/02 12:07 AM

Do I get a prize? hello
Posted by: ramstrong

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/23/02 05:33 PM

I say brown as well. You should see a fresh sea trout (sea run brown) They are pretty darn chrome, almost like a chrome atlantic.
Posted by: hawk

Re: what kind of fish?(pic) - 12/24/02 07:59 AM

It's a brown without a doubt. We get some incredibly big lake run browns on the Lake Michigan and Lake Ontario Tribs. That fish was posted on a Midwest board that I frequent.

We have two types of browns that are planted in the tribs. They stock the German Browns, and a Seeforallen Brown. The Seeforallens' get really big (crowding the 30 pound + mark) and are really a hit with the shore and breakwater anglers. Cathcing a 15 pound plus brownie in the fall, is far from impossible. A few rivers that are only a few miles long, get in excess of 20,000 brownies coming in to spawn in the fall. Many of those are full blown toads. There are many rivers that get plantings of browns that total near 100,000 fish. With great returns, the river and shore fisheries for trolling and drowning spawn bags, are fantastic. You can go to the Wisconsin DNR website, and see the stocking reports for each river. fishy fishy

The Seeforaalens' also are light in color (almost chrome) when coming in from the lake, and have telltale "x" black marks on the backs, down to the midline. They are fat as toads, bot don't have the football look like the German browns.

That fish caused alot of excitement for a handful of guys who had trouble recognizing it as a Seeforallen. We go through tthe same thing, when someone actually catches a chrome bright coho in a river, and starts talking about the nice stelie they caught. No matter what it is, it's still a great fish. Take care, and Happy Holidays. <img border="0" alt="[santa]" title="" src="graemlins/santa.gif" />