Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo

Posted by: Salmonella

Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/29/10 06:22 PM

Looks like another great American Democrat is going down the ole chitter.
13 potential ethics violations, including a 10 million dollar "gift" from AIG.




This is going to get interesting.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/29/rangel.ethics/index.html
Posted by: seastrike

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/29/10 07:18 PM

I'm not liking them on the left or the right.
Posted by: FleaFlickr02

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/29/10 07:33 PM

Now that's some big time lobbying! Sure seems to explain how AIG achieved "too big to fail" status, eh?

Anybody who thinks a legislator's salary represents his total income is probably a bit off.... For those of you who have ever been curious about why a bunch of well-paid attorneys would leave their private sector jobs to serve in public office for a lesser salary, here is your answer. If you're like me and you've known this for a long time, you are probably only shocked to see the heights to which this case takes things.

The picture is great, though.... You can almost hear him saying, "Who - me?"
Posted by: SciGuy

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/29/10 07:34 PM

Originally Posted By: seastrike
I'm not liking them on the left or the right.


Wow! Sanity in the ITLBF forum? Never thought I'd see the day...
Posted by: 4Salt

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/29/10 07:57 PM

So... he's in good company with Newt Gingrich, David Vitter, Bob Ney, Duke Cunningham and Tom DeLay... huh?

Cool! thumbs
Posted by: RowVsWade

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/29/10 08:06 PM

The resident liberal apologist shows up with out his girlfriend....is KK under the weather today?

Too much boxed White Zin last night for the 2 of ya'?
Posted by: goharley

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/29/10 08:15 PM

Originally Posted By: RowVsWade
The resident liberal apologist shows up ...
Ooow, attack the messenger. Good play, sir, good play.

Not.

Didn't sound like much of an apology to me. More like pointing out the obvious.
Posted by: RowVsWade

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/29/10 08:25 PM

Originally Posted By: goharley
Originally Posted By: RowVsWade
The resident liberal apologist shows up ...
Ooow, attack the messenger. Good play, sir, good play.

Not.

Didn't sound like much of an apology to me. More like pointing out the obvious.


...and here comes little sister to their rescue......right on cue.
Posted by: Dan S.

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/29/10 08:57 PM

I wasn't supposed to be surprised by this, was I ?
Posted by: RowVsWade

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/29/10 09:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Dan S.
I wasn't supposed to be surprised by this, was I ?


I'm as surprised as you.
Posted by: Irie

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/29/10 10:18 PM

Every last SOB that voted YES on the bailouts needs to go to prison. Period.
Posted by: Salmonella

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/29/10 10:23 PM

PRESS RELEASE

Congressman Rangel Reintroduces Bill To Reinstate Military Draft
July 15, 2010 2:58 PM

WASHINGTON - Congressman Charles Rangel on Thursday introduced H.R. 5741, a bill that would reinstate a compulsory military draft, or alternative national service, during times of war, for men and women, aged 18 to 42, who are citizens or permanent residents of the United States.

"What troubles me most about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is the total indifference to the suffering and loss of life among our brave young soldiers on the battlefield," Congressman Rangel said. "The reason is that so few families have a stake in the war which is being fought by other people's children.

"The test for Congress, particularly for those members who support the war, is to require all who enjoy the benefits of our democracy to contribute to the defense of the country. All of America's children should share the risk of being placed in harm's way.

"In other words, if you support the war, you should support a compulsory military draft," Congressman Rangel said.

The bill, which the Congressman first introduced in 2003 as the nation prepared for the invasion of Iraq, and offered again in 2004, 2006, and 2007, provides for:

• A national service obligation--either military or civilian--for every citizen and permanent resident, male and female, of the U.S., aged 18 to 42.

• Persons may inducted to perform military service only if a declaration of war is in effect, or if the President declares a national emergency necessitating the induction of persons to perform military service and immediately informs Congress of the reasons for the declaration.

• Defines "national service" as either military or civilian service as defined by the President that promotes national or homeland security.

• Give the President the authority to establish the numbers of persons to be selected for military service and the means of selection.

• Requires those not selected for military service to perform their national service obligation in a civilian capacity for a period of two years.

• Directs the President to prescribe the regulations necessary to carry out the act.

• Deferments for education are only permitted through completion of high school, to a maximum age of 20.

• Deferments may be made for physical or mental disability, or under claims of conscientious objector.

BRINGING THE TROOPS HOME

Rangel said that he was not challenging President Obama's handling of the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, conflicts with few options that the President had inherited from the previous Administration.

"I support the President's intentions to withdraw our troops, but I'd like to see it happen sooner. In my view, no additional tax dollars should be appropriated for any reason except to bring home our brave and exhausted young men and women. The loss of 5,500 lives and 38,000 wounded is enough."

A combined total of 160,000 Americans are currently deployed. More than 2 million men and women have served in the two conflicts, nearly half of them for more than one tour of duty. And because of a shortage of manpower, some of them have been deployed as many as six times.

"The 3.3 million military households, representing only one percent of American families, have become a virtual military class who are unfairly carrying the burden of war," Congressman Rangel said. "If there were a draft, there would be no shortage of troops to fill the ranks without repeatedly deploying the same exhausted troops over and over."

So far, the numbers of casualties may not be as high, or as shocking, as those suffered in previous wars. But the physical and mental damage to individual soldiers is not only heartbreaking but is taking place at rates never before seen in modern warfare.

The reason is that advances in medical technology have allowed more wounded soldiers to survive the loss of limbs, and serious head and brain injuries. "The result is a practical epidemic of cases of post traumatic stress disorder, suicides, and family disruptions," Congressman Rangel said.

Again in this war, troops recruited from large urban centers with high unemployment and from economically depressed small towns, are carrying the heaviest burden of service. Enlistment bonuses are as high as $40,000. Incentives for reenlistment range from $1,000 for the lowest-skilled privates to $27,000 for staff sergeants with special skills. Combined with the economic recession these incentives have produced record-breaking recruiting results this year.

"The question of whether we need a universal compulsory military draft will be important as long as this country is placing thousands of its young men and women in harm's way," Congressman Rangel said.

"We make decisions about war without worry over who fights them. Those who do the fighting have no choice; when the flag goes up, they salute and follow orders," Congressman Rangel said.

For more information on Congressman Rangel's position on the war and what he is doing in Washington and in the District, please visit his web site at http://www.rangel.house.gov.
Posted by: 4Salt

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/29/10 10:32 PM

Originally Posted By: BlowVsWade
The resident liberal apologist shows up with out his girlfriend....is KK under the weather today?


Sup Dingle? I see you're goin' through your annual summer manstrual cycle again... huh?

Today a heavy flow day... and the estrogen bloat's gotcha a little cranky?

Or did your autographed Rush Limbaugh butt plug get stuck again?

Posted by: goharley

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/29/10 10:38 PM

Originally Posted By: RowVsWade
...and here comes little sister to their rescue......right on cue.
Oh wow, I sure didn't see that coming. Boy, oh boy, you really showed me, alright. Yessiree. Definately brought your A game on that one. Clearly I'm just no match for your superior wit. No doubt your father would be sooooo proud of you....


....if she were around.
Posted by: bait dunker

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/29/10 11:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Irie
Every last SOB that voted YES on the bailouts needs to go to prison. Period.


Wow, we actually agree on something!
Posted by: RowVsWade

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/30/10 12:07 AM

Originally Posted By: goharley
Originally Posted By: RowVsWade
...and here comes little sister to their rescue......right on cue.
Oh wow, I sure didn't see that coming. Boy, oh boy, you really showed me, alright. Yessiree. Definately brought your A game on that one. Clearly I'm just no match for your superior wit. No doubt your father would be sooooo proud of you....


....if she were around.


Wow what a superfluous response for a worn out old girl.

Sucks being old...huh?
Posted by: RowVsWade

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/30/10 12:17 AM

Originally Posted By: AuntyM
Originally Posted By: 4Salt
Originally Posted By: BlowVsWade
The resident liberal apologist shows up with out his girlfriend....is KK under the weather today?


Sup Dingle? I see you're goin' through your annual summer manstrual cycle again... huh?

Today a heavy flow day... and the estrogen bloat's gotcha a little cranky?

Or did your autographed Rush Limbaugh butt plug get stuck again?



By the description, it sounds like 4Salt has first hand experience. rofl


Between 4skin, gogirly and kay kay...the "fromage trois" of the Dark Side....I'm sure they have a lot of 'sperience with butt plugs and the like.
Posted by: Doctor Rick

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/30/10 02:05 AM

Mr. Rangel has his own agenda. A draft would bring home the effects of the war(s) so quickly that public sentiment would more quickly shift to anti war, after more sons and daughters were sent and came back, or didn't come back. This is what happened in 'Nam, average families were affected, sons (mostly) came home, and sentiment shifted. Over 58,000 US dead, men and women, had an impact.

I have friends who are on their 5th deployment in the sandbox, and there is very little public concern. Relatively few families are affected, but they are heavily affected.

I am not sure what to think. I know we cannot be the world's policeman, but personally feel that some people (mostly extreme moslem in persuasion) , want to kill us. We can, and should be, tolerant of each other, but if we are tolerant of those who want to kill us, that is stupid. I am not tolerant of someone who wants to kill me or my family, or friends. Just my opinion. Not sure if that's liberal or conservative. Just is.

Mr. Rangel can face his own consequences.

Not feeling like sending him my...
Posted by: Jerry Garcia

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/30/10 08:25 AM

Rangel must be in trouble as he brought out his Korean war experience as proof that he is a survivor.
Posted by: Salmonella

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/30/10 10:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Doctor Rick

I have friends who are on their 5th deployment in the sandbox, and there is very little public concern. Relatively few families are affected, but they are heavily affected.



These wars are stingingly real to me right now.
Last week I was returning home from work on a warm summer day, as I approach the turnoff to my home I see two decorated army officers standing on my neighbor's lawn giving him the tragic news that his son was killed by an IED in Zabul Afghanistan along with three other fine young men.

I watched with teary eyes as my friend and neighbor shoveled dirt on his 21 year old son last Sunday.

The most moving funeral I've ever attended in my life.
Nearly every resident of my lil community turned out and poured out their hearts as the reality and futility of these engagements became incredibly real.



Posted by: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/30/10 01:40 PM

Originally Posted By: salmosalar
I'm not a fan of the bail out. However, in comparison to Iraq....

The architects of that are criminal in a way Rangel doesn't even knoe how to be.


Couldn't agree more. I STILL can't figure out why all the people that froth at the mouth regarding immigrants, bail-outs, and wasted tax dollars seem to ignore things like Iraq and Afganistan. They are HUGE costs with VERY questionable benefits.

10 more years of the same please?
Posted by: gvbest

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/30/10 04:29 PM

"We calculated that the estimated average annual cost to recruit an enlisted servicemember over the 10-year period to be about $10,500."

While I would tend to agree with the above statement (atleast with the annual cost to RECRUIT enlisted servicemember), I wonder if that cost takes into account any primary/secondary training that is required before a service member reports to their first actual command. Because in todays military not to many enlisted service members go straight from boot camp/basic training to their first command, most have multiple stops for training along the way. All of which cost money.

This plan would really only work with grunts/infantry type soldiers/marines as I believe to much of any technical rating/job is learned while OJT vice from the school and if you had a high turnover rate across the board it would be counter productive.
Posted by: Salmo g.

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/31/10 04:15 PM

Back on topic with Charlie; 10 million? Wow, at least he knows what he is worth. The only surprising thing about our elected representatives is how cheaply most of them can be bought.

As for Charlie's proposal to reinstate the draft, he's got it wrong. The only way a draft works to insure US involvement in moral wars is to mandate the induction of the members of Congress themselves if they are young enough to fight and die, and the sons and daughters of Congressmen and women, no exemptions. I think wars should be fought like in days of old when the King of a country was also the general leading the charge. It kind of makes sure they really believe in the cause and aren't in it just because they're being paid off by a defense industry lobbyist.

And you guys who are arguing about whether it's the Dems or Reps who are corrupt are the tools. Play on.

Sg
Posted by: Salmo g.

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 07/31/10 09:19 PM

Congressional Ethics Committee is an oxymoron.
Posted by: FleaFlickr02

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 08/02/10 04:16 PM

Indeed. I think it's safe to assume all these folks are corrupt, and it's not hard to understand why. I always have a little chuckle to myself when I see people refer to the fact that legislators don't get paid exhorbitant salaries. By comparison, their salaries are far from eye-popping, but as demonstrated (with authority) by Mr. Rangel in this case, there are plenty of opportunities to supplement their income.

The vast majority of these folks are attorneys by trade. I suppose that stands to reason, as people who make a living practicing law should be the ones best qualified to make laws. Something that most attorneys have in common is that they earn what most would consider a great living; certainly more than a Congressman's salary. So why take the salary cut to serve the public? For the "power," you say? Well, if you believe that money and power go hand-in-hand, you could make that argument, but I think the honest answer is that the supplemental income is substantial. No different from you and I, capitalist dogs that we are, why wouldn't they choose to sieze those opportunities?

I don't like it, but I do think I understand it.
Posted by: JohnQ

Re: Charlie Rangel in Deep Doo Doo - 08/03/10 12:29 AM

And it looks like another Swamp Drainer is about to bit the big one along with Crooked Charlie, Maxine Waters, a real winner.