This can't be good for Gregiore

In todays Seattle PI my favorite liberal columnist, Robert L Jamieson Jr, just rips our new Gov big time. If this is an example of how she will be treated by the press for the next four years she is in trouble. I've also noticed that the Seattle Weekly has been hammering away at her for a couple of weeks now.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/207868_robert13.html

Would it really matter who was sitting in the Gov's mansion??? Ripping would occur, one way or 'tother.

Govenor ? What Govenor? The Peoples Republic of Seattle has a Govenor through Elected to Office by Fraud and the Dead, in shades of Chicago...... Are you sure that she hasn't got the Name Daily somewhere in her name. As far as her win is concerned it's Tainted by the King County Results. If she had won by any other means than those exhibited in King County there wouldn't have been as much hate and discontent expressed on either side of the aisle. Evidently a differient standard is acceptable in King County, it's a county where the Dead, Felons, and any one can cast as may votes as you want to as the end justifies the means.

Christene Gregoiree and her staff has cost this state millions in missed filing dates and general incomputance and the State of Washington and King County does business as usual it's OK if their incomputant go ahead give them a promotion so that they have even more authority and Screw the system up even worse. So now that she's the Gov do you expect to see any improvement in State Government no it'll be business as usual.

And the sad part of it is if her election is thrown out and Rossi or someone else is elected, because she was sworn in we the taxpayers will have to pay her retirement at the rate of Govenor for the rest of her life.

So ACT, did you feel the same way four years ago when all the problems were showing up in Florida? Or do you only get upset when the Gop's don't come out on top?

Gore was never ahead in Florida
Rossi won two counts in Washington
All of the post election counts in Florida came up with the same results...Bush won.
In Washington there are so many examples of fraud it is in no way like Florida other than the crooked Democrats trying to fix things in both states.

Tough day at the Boat Show Grandpa???

Crooked Democrats. Were there never any crooked Republicans? Like maybe Nixion. If the system is broke then it needs to be fixed.

There have been some problems found. But in order to say there was fraud involved at the county level, you must include the canvesing board. And that included one Republican. So is he crooked also.

Yes I did feel the same way four years ago only thing is the the Democraps didn't succede in their attempts to steal that one as they did in this one here in Washington. And oh for your information I don't nor have I ever voted a straight party ticket although with shinanigans played by the democraps and looking at their leadership and/or spokesmen it makes me sick to think that I was ever associated with that party as a registered voter.

Look at what you've got for leadership a Felon who drowned his brother's girl friend in his Oldsmobile, a preacher who can't keep his pecker in his pants, a Ex-President who's an impeached pedifile and who burned the American Flag on the Kremlin Steps, and your most recent nominee a Traitor who gave aide and comfort to the enemy and called his fellow comrades in arms a bunch of baby killers during a time of war.

An yes after seeing the events of the last four years . I go to bed every night thanking God that Al Bore did not succeed in Florida four years ago , because if he had this country would be up the creek without a paddle.

What a tainted view of history. You are absolutely out there. I thought Krusty was bad.

If nothing else, you're better entertainment than Bouche, himself.

Coming from you Harley I consider it a compliment!

Guys, if a judge declares there was fraud then it will be so. Until then it is all just accusations and opinions.

Personally, I don't think either party has clean hands in this election. Notice how the Republicans didn't want a revote when they were ahead? Notice how they tried to block disqualfied ballots being counted when they were ahead? Now that they're not ahead, the shoe is on the other foot.

And I just want to point out that there have always been enough votes in King, Pierce, and Snohomish county to override the entire rest of the state. Remember the vote to tear down the King Dome and put up that God awful loser's money pit they put in its place? It failed in every county but those three, and it still passed.

Then it will be so??? Aren't you forgetting about appeals?

Yep! That's just how Christine won it she and democraps found out how many votes she needed to win it and kept on appealling it until King County could find her enough votes to win it.

And how about those hypocritical Republiturds?

Anyone who thinks either side is above serious shenagans is simply naive.

Note the Rs were in no way upset over all the "irregularities" when they were ahead. Note the Rs screamed about all the one sides ballot enhancements, yet a R was on that board and he said that in only 22 cases was the board unable to agree and in some of those the vote was recorded for Rossi.

The Rs make a big deal out of dead voters. Last I saw there were less than 20 in King County and the ones that had been investigated were where the spouse of an absentee voter who died after the ballots was sent out, voted for the dead spouse. I read that in one case the dead voter voted for Rossi. Is that an indication of fraud by the Rs?

BOTH parties will do whatever they can to push the election their way. Remember Chris said 42 votes was a tie? Remember when the Rossi camp said that to save us all the problems she should concede? Now the recount shifted the balance and BOTH sides change positions.

There are few honorable folks in this mess. One is Sam Reed the republican Sec. of State who refused to let partisan politics steamroll him. Another was the lone Democrat legislator who voted with the republicans for a recount. Those men seem able to rise above partisan politics to do what they believe to be right.

I voted for Chris but do understand that if I had voted for Rossi I would be damned upset. You Rossi voters need to ask yourselves, would you be this upset if the first two counts went for Chris and the last went for Rossi?

I remember that the Rossi spokesman strongly hinted that they would ask for a hand count if the machine recount went against them. Do any of you think Rossi would have simply conceded if the machine recount were in Chris’s favor by 42 votes?

And how about the ads, sponsored by the building trades council, crying about the marine who threw away his ballot because it arrives so late. Turns out all he had to do was mail it in and his vote would have counted. Not much fraud there. I know that many Rs said if Ds were too dumb to correctly fill out their ballot the votes shouldn’t count. Does that same theory hold for servicemen who didn’t know they could send in their ballot after election day?

We now have no choice but to let the courts work it out. I'm sure that if the Rs lose they will spend the next four years crying about how unfair it all was - just liike the Ds do over the 2000 election. So be it. Life is not always fair.

I would say for now we should focus on holding Christine's feet to the fire on her promise to get rid of the biased commercial leaning WDFW commissioners and replace them with folks willing to see the sports fishing side for a change...the latest , Clyde, is a good example (although he is a Locke appointment)..Now before the courts decide differently she can get some things done. We'll see if she has time with that "healing" tour and all.

Act, without using any opinions. Prove it.

I also have never voted a streight party ticket. But comments like you just made are nothing but ridicules.

And as for the question about an appeal. I think that would go before a judge also.

Over-re-ACT can't be taken seriously anymore, or considered credible with his hyperbole and misinformation. He'll just have to sit next to that other clown.

But here's some real facts from the state attorney general's office for the democratic-process-hating Rs to peruse:

Dino Rossi led in four of the five counties that the Republicans claim counted more votes than voters.

Eleven of the 31 Republican counties reported a larger percentage change in the vote count than did King County. Four Republican counties reported more than twice as large a change, percentage-wise, as did King County.

The GOP’s major complaint is that Christine Gregoire gained .0708 percent of the votes in King County during the manual recount. However, Rossi gained more than that percentage in 10 Republican counties during the manual recount. Additionally, in five counties that voted Republican, Gregoire gained a higher percentage than she did in King County.

The manual recount produced no change in votes for either candidate in seven counties; the changes were equal in two counties. Rossi gained more votes than Gregoire in 20 of the 30 counties with unequal changes.


And since you're all so concerned with flawless elections, you've no doubt already sent letters to the administration requesting a postponement of elections in Iraq until the polling situation can improve.

I think Goharley is just 'in a mood' because Will and Grace got shunned again at the Golden Globe Awards.

Rory ,I could be mistaken but I believe the other one is you

I am suprised that no one is discussing what Chrissy had to say in her inauguration speech. Specifically that she wanted to fund pre K programs in public schools. Never mind the fact that the sales tax increase to fund PreK education proposed failed with the voters in a landslide . Maybe she thinks we like new taxes for such programs just not new sales taxes?
And who are the people that think she will listen Re:fish?

Looking at everything George has done, do you really think Dino cares about sports fishers?

A few people here based their vote for CG on the fact that she seemed more likely to listen. Appears she is ont at least on the PReK issue. Dragging Dino in is moot because he is not the Gov. Unless you want to be emotional about it and bring up every republican issue since ol Abe it serves what purpose?

My point is this. She has been in office for what a week or so. How about giving her a little time. At this point nobody knows what kind of Gov she is going to be.

In other words you seem to be jumping the gun JUST a little.

If how she ran the Attorney General's Office is any indication. It'll be business as usual.

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Christine Gagmore is Gary Lockes hand picked successor.

During her inagruation speech she spoke of what a terrific governor Gary Locke was. TK already made mention of the fact that she's already is talking about emplementing programs at tax payers expense that taxpayers have soundly voted down at the ballot box~ala Locke.

Oh yeah, she's going to be completely different from Locke.

You know what ,I would even give a GOP at least three months before going off on them. I get the idea that it would be impossable for her to please RB and a few others here.

If you don't want taxes to increase, what services do you want to cut? What state employees do you want to lay off? For that matter what ideas do you have to balance the budjet? Anyone that ends up Gov, is going to have a hard and for the most part thank less job ahead of them.

I don't really want to pay highter taxes any more than you. But sometimes there is no other way. If there is lets hear them.

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In making these statements, you're assuming that ALL tax dollars are spent so wisely and effectively that there is no waste (fat/pork) that could be cut without having to eliminate nessesary sevices---I think that's a false assumption.

I know that most democrats automatically 'feel' that raising taxes is always the answer--I don't happen to share their 'feelings'.

I believe when confronted with a budget challenge, raisng taxes should be the last option considered and not automatically the first.

Actually no I am not assuming that. But I am saying prove it. It's easy to complain about tax problems. But I never hear anything specific. So, lets hear it.

We graduate only 2/3rds of the eligible seniors in this state how is funding PreK going to help change that. If you graded Wa. schools for the tax dollars spent where do we stack up? I thought preK programs where the responsiblity of the parents?

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One thing we could do in this state to $ave several MILLION$ of dollar$ would be to have a statewide School Voucher System that allowed parents of K-12 students a choice of where to send their children to school (either public or private).

We (the tax payers) are currently spending an average of almost $10,000 annually per student on the poorly managed and fiscally irresponsible Seattle Education Assoc./NEA/WEA union controlled Washington public schools.

If parents wanted to send their kids to the ineffective, overpriced and poorly managed Seattle Education Assoc./WEA/NEA controlled public schools, they'd have that choice.

If they wanted to send there kids to more effectively managed and less expensive private schools that had greater percentage of its students graduating with higher test scores and attending college, they would have that choice too.

The competition for $$'s from competing schools would eventually force public schools to teach more effectively and to operate lean and mean like private schools have to now, and you'ld see A LOT of pork cut from the public schools. And you'ld see an over-all improvement in the quality of education that our children receive--as they say, 'a rising tide lifts all boats'.

I agree with you on pre K schooling.

However private schools can be selective on who they allow in. I have a problem with that.

AM,,I agree with you. They should be with mom , dad, grandparents,anuts and uncles if at all possible. Nothing wrong with a few hours a week in a private program. We see a big difference in the attention level of kids coming in to kinder because of system socialization . Gives them about a 90 day head start. That is taking into consideration that the teachers in our system have access to unlimited parental volunteer hours to work with the kids that have not seen PreK. My son's K teacher came from inner city Seattle and says there was less than 10% of the parent resource she sees out here. I believe it is state funded daycare in disguise. I think the funds would be better suited to address other issues. We needaccountability that dollars will add up on the back end.

I don't agree with that. I don't want my tax money to go to sending kids to private school. Do you really think the state could give out enough money to send kids whose parents couldn't afford much over the voucher to private school? Private schools costs more than going to the UW in a lot of cases. It would just end up being a big fat tax break to people who are already rich enough to send their kids to private school, while the poor and middle class send their kids to public school anyway.

I don't agree with the School Voucher issue as I have no children or grandchildren in either public or private school systems and yet I am taxed by both the State and the local School District. We have Public Timberlands which are set aside as School Blocks with the revenues from these lands supposed to go to a General Fund to be divided up among the schools for Capital Improvements and Operations, yet we can't harvest timber from these lands because it is detrimential to some Owls well being, so who gets the bill for the revenues not recieved from these timber sales. You and I in the form of increased property taxes. Now you carry this a step farther you give dole out School Tax Revenues in ther Form of School Vouchers that is then monies taken from the School's Fiscal Budget for operating cost. Now who ends up paying the shortfall in their Budget? It's you and I in the form of higher Property Taxes and those of us who are on a fixed income can't afford it.

You asked where would yoou start if you were going to scale down. Here's a couple of radical Ideas: 1) instead of laying off some of the indians, how about getting rid of some of the Chiefs. 2) get rid of some the deadwood that are Tenured who are not doing their Job. 3) actually teach the children the basics, it's crimminal when children come out of the school system and can't even balance a check book or write a common business letter and yet the Local School District calls them "Honor Students." 4) Spend special Levy Monies and General Fund Monies for what they were appropriated for not window dressing and /or pheasability (sp) studies to give some self professed expert a job, who in most cases don't know their rear end from a hole in a ground. Let them go out and find a job instead of living off the Taxpayer.

This applies to all forms of Government not just the schools

It doesn't matter whether you have children or grandchildren currently enrolled in the public school system or not--if you own real estate in Washington a portion of your property taxes goes towards funding K-12 education.

If you knew how much pork (waste) there was in our current SEA/NEA/WEA Union controlled public school system you would be sick.

The Voucher System I suggested would not require more taxes, but the competiton for education $$'s would go a long way towards trimming the 'pork/fat' in public schools and make all schools operate at more efficient and productive levels.

You can send children to a SEA/WEA/NEA Union controlled public schools that are ineffective and poorly managed for almost $10,000 a year and have about 2/3's of them graduate HS--or you can send them much better managed private schools that have over 90 % of their students not only graduate from HS, but go on to attend college for less than $6,500 a year.

Whether you want to or not, as a home owner you're investing in this system. I for one like to get the best return on my investments.

Screw the NEA & WEA their nothing but ba bunch of over paid baby sitters it's kind of hard finding sympathy for them when the Gov't tells you that the Cost of Living has only gone up 1.7 % or 2.8% and their asking for 10 or 15% raise in salary.

The same for DSHS they need to fire about three quarters of their work force and get rid of all the Dyke's and Manhaters on their staff and actually start to serve the people they are supposed to be there to help.

A good case in point is the DSHS Worker who after hearing my neices tell her that daddy was molesting them accused their daddy of molesting the girls without investigating the case. Their Daddy was paralyized from the neck down in a wheel chair and when he had the girls it was in the presence of other family members including his mother. The Daddy that was doing the Molesting was the mother's live in boyfriend. She was making the girls call him "Daddy." It's not just an isolated case sadly it's common in DSHS. they need need to clean house in a DSHS and a lot of other state agencies get rid of the deadwood and hangers on. That would go a long way in giving us quality education.

Where is the money going from the State Lottery it was sold to us as a answer all to help solve our Education crisis.

State Government and our education system is like a black hole we keep throwing money into it and don't and don't see any return maybe it's time we ought to throw all the administrators out and start from scratch with the Taxes going to pay for teaching the Three R's and stop paying exhorbent salaries to Administrators who can't seem to grasp the concept of it's educate the children not feather their nest and creating study after study stating why their feeding at the public trough is necessary.

Hey Aunty, long time, no-see. Save me some shrimp.

OK, so I have to jump in on the private school voucher issue.

I also pay a pretty high tax load, but I do have three kids currently in private school. My kid's school costs about $5,500/year apiece. Obviously, that's a big chunk of change for most people I know, but we pay it willingly because of the quality of education my kids get.

Am I against vouchers? Heck no! The current public system turns out kids that test well below what our little under-funded private school does, yet they spend WAY more per kid. I'm fortunate, because I got a good education and make a good living so I can afford to pay taxes into the public school system I'll never use and still put my kids thru private school. But I think it would be ABSOLUTELY GREAT if a single mother who could never afford it got the chance to place her kid in a better school - especially if the better school was actually LESS COSTLY than the current beaurocratically bloated public school system. I'm trying to figure out how that can be a bad thing.... Her kid goes to the school of choice and it costs the tax payers less. Seems like a win-win situation to me.

Hey, I guess that makes me PRO-CHOICE after all!!!!

Hope to see you at Seiku.

I don't have kids, and nor am I a home owner (though that will eventually change). There's better ways to improve education than by just giving money away to whoever wants to shuffle their kids off to a private school (which, might I add, have their own issues).

Plus there's the fact that many private schools are religious schools to some extent or another, and that opens a whole new can of worms.

The way I see it the liberal Seattle press gave Locke an eight year pass and never called him on anything. We used to hear monthly updates about how many jobs where lost under Bush (which, of course, thanks to tax cuts we no longer get) but how many jobs where lost in Wa. under Locke????? According to the local media Locke was busy in China couragously selling apples! Now in her first week Jamieson comes out calling her a rascist who refused to lead. And that's from the left. The rest of us are already digging holes in the back yard so we can hide our wallets. I'm just really puzzled by the reaction of the local media. She gave the exact same speech Locke has been giving for years. When Locke makes that speech it's visonary but this time around the Editorial pages are wondering how she plans to pay for all them proposed Gov programs! The Seattle Times Editorial page never laid this stuff on Lockes lap http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002151920_vesely16.html.

So why is the Seattle media laying all this stuff on Gregiore. After all shouldn't we give her a chance?

I'm still trying to figure out why this reaction from the local media since I find it so surprising. It still can't be good for Gregiore!

What, we're not socialists anymore? When did the change happen....

To be honest, I never understood why anyone else should pay for my kid's public school (if they went there) or why I should pay for someone else's. So, I guess philosophically, I don't even have one leg to stand on. But, as long as I have all of those taxes sucked out of me, I wouldn't mind seeing that money go to support a school that my family actually uses.

Here's a link to a recent P-I article that says Wa. state spends $7,579/year per kid with a national everage of $8,428.

What do you think of the concept of competition as it pertains to primary and secondary education? Seems to me that no competition leads to a monopoly which leads to big beaurocracy. Now, if that sinly mom had the choice of a $5,000 voucher and took it, her kid would get the education of choice. And, if te public school system idn't get the $7,579 for that kid, we just saved $2,579.

I know that's a little smplistic, but I'm not convinced a complete throw away as an idea. Public schools do receive money on a per kid basis.

Besides, if I got three vouchers, think of the money I'd save. I'd have one sweeeeeeeeet jet sled!!!

http://www-hoover.stanford.edu/publications/books/fulltext/edcap/3.pdf

Happy crabbing.

ACK.

I guess if I'm going to give a link, I should give the right link. Here's the recent P-I article:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/204608_schoolfunding21.html?searchpagefrom=6&searchdiff=27

I oppose the voucher system along with parents putting their kids in private schools for the most part. The public school system was set up to better society by giving all kids an education. Not only book learning but and education on how the world functions. That is in all our best interest even if you have no kids. Voucher programs pull the middle and upper end out and make the schools more homogenous. Society is not homogenus. That is the same issue I have with private schools. They are homogenous and do not reflect society.

Crap, Aunty.

I just spent /2 hour typing out the most well reasoned response I could muster..... and then my computer had a hick-up.

I'm too depressed to try to create such a masterpiece again so I'm going to go pack care packages for my bud's in Iraq. Some of them are on less than one hot meal per day since th chow hall bomb.


P.S. I saw a bumper sticker today that is my new favorite on an old truck in Enumclaw:

If you're not supposed to eat animals,
ten why are they made out of meat?

Note that vouchers are still 'socialist'. The 'capitalist' way would be to let everyone (including the people who don't have kids) keep their education tax money have the parents pay their own kids' way through school.

Before you think that's such a great idea, think about the fact that people only pay around 1/2 property tax for education, the rest goes for other stuff such as the county library system, parks maintenance, fire departments, and other things. Everybody would be getting back around $700-$1,000 per year (depending on what your house is worth, of course). A nice break for people that don't own property, but then everyone with kids would be bearing the full brunt of the cost.