Elk Hunting What is Too Much Bull?

Havn't Posted on pisc for quite while so hope I get this right.
This morning while out in my back yard I noticed by neighbor had not one but two Bull elk heads in his back yard.
Very fresh and still in velvet.
I havn't seen him yet to talk with him So I don't know the story behind them yet, But I was a liitle sad to see they were taken so early in the year before their antlers were even developed all the way.
He is a native american and he told me he can hunt year round. He loves to hunt and has many stories to tell
Seems to be a great neighbor and would probably help me with anything I need help with.
I know he got a nice bull last fall and now two more?
Anyway my concern is If the tribes (and I am not sure wich tribe he is from He grew up in the forks area.) Allow year round hunting does anyone know if they put a limit on the number of animals they can harvest?
My guess is they do, but still it seems to me if all of the hunters take that many animals in such short a time How long will they Last.
Its been a while since Iv'e been elk hunting so I guess I'll have to talk him into taking me for a trip.
Anyway here is a photo I took this morning If I can just remember how to upload it.
Ramprat

I've taken two elk in a year before (1 in January and another on August), and we had no issues eating them up. Looks like these were destined to become 5x5's or so, so they were fairly mature bulls.

Supposedly, they came off the Hoh reservation, somewhere N. of Kalaloch.

I saw them on Friday afternoon, my wife asked your neighbor about them at the rest area.

uncool

Phuggin' lame.....

it takes a lot of meat to feed the dogs

That is BS

I just don't get it........

I could understand if they still lived in Teepees and traveled via foot and horseback like they used to. But to be able to go out and kill an elk year around, load it up in their truck and eat it in their house that was probably built by a white man amazes me....

Keith

if they're only out for meat, why not shoot a couple spikes?

Totally agree!

Last year a buddy of mine saw two huge Mulie's in the back of some white guys truck at the Chelan Les Schwab so he called WDFW LE. They arrived promptly and told him the guy was ok since he was a member of the Yakima tribe????

The deer where yarded up since there was about 10' of snow on the ground. The guy had his choice of about a 100 deer and shot the two biggest.

Total crap!

Unfotunately, it doesn't matter what any of us think. That is the rule and so it shall be. My first year hunting in Washington, I went with an old boy that had spent more time in the wilderness than anyone I knew or ever heard of. He went hunting out on the West end one time with a guy that he knew. They had put in all the prerequisite time scouting and locating and found their herd and bulls accordingly. On the way in to the area in the wee hours of the morning, they were met by three truck on the way out. One flat bed that had ten animals on it. Another two pickups that had three bulls each and a bunch of "locals" in the back with them and their guns. This was the opening day of archery season. Needless to say there were no animals left to hunt. Not fair, but legal.

makes it hard on the rest of us, going by rules, regulations, and cost of license fees...hard to not comment on a photo like that

See if you can find out which tribe he is in. I know that my brother in law is Makah and they have restricted the season for the tribe in the last couple of years. . Still better then ours, but last I heard it was bull only, one per permit (they still can have designated hunters for certian members). I have never heard of him being able to hunt this early. Each tribe is different, but a quick call to the reservation enforcement would give you an answer. I think it is a bit early for most tribal hunts and would be surprised if he is allowed to bulls like that.

That looks like it is in the Eastern part of the state. Atleast the eastern side of the sound. I ran into a Nez Perce a couple of years ago that was gloating about being able to hunt whenever he wants whatever he wants. The treaty rights apparently do entitle him to that. Truly unfortunate for the rest of the hunting population. But, good luck changing that.

I've heard similar stories multiple times over the years. Crazy stories about "dozens" of elk that make you wish you were being BS'ed....

I grew up on a ranch in eastern Montana right on the border of the Northern Cheyanne Rez. They can hunt all they want and as a result, you never see any kind of game whatsoever, even coyotes are scarce. Once you cross the rez line onto my family ranch there are deer, elk, and antelope everywhere.

That's when the first beer can goes out the winda.

IT'S CALLED FEEDING YOUR FAMILY AND HELPING OTHER FAMILY'S EAT TOO. OUR SEASON OPENS ON THE FIRST OF JULY AND RUNS TILL THE END OF THE YEAR. BULL ONLY UNTIL THE END OF SEPT. THEN WE OPEN UP FOR COWS OFF RES. YOU CAN SHOOT 2 ELK PER YEAR AND YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BE A DESIGNATED HUNTER FOR ELDERS AND THOSE WHO CAN'T HUNT. AND I USUALLY START CHUCKING THE CORONA BOTTLES AFTER I LEAVE THE REZ.:) THE TRIBAL HARVEST IS ONLY 20 % OF WHAT THE NON-TRIBAL HARVEST IS AND IF YOU WANT TO HARVEST A TROPY BULL YOU HAVE TO HUNT ON REZ, THEY ARE USE TO BEING HUNTED LONGER AND THERE ARE MORE OF THEM.(SMARTER ELK) OFF REZ IS JUST A MEAT HUNT RAG HORNS BUT SOME NICE DEER. WE HAVE REGULATIONS AND EVERYTHING, ON PAPER EVEN!

Feeding your family? I have a family of 6 and we eat nothing but wild meat from deer and elk and we never run out. Let me tell ya, I don't get to kill 2 mature bull elk every year, along with however many deer you get, along with all the fish you get, on & on & on......Oh ya what about the casinos. You can't afford to buy meat? You can afford Corona but not meat????

Looks to me like those would have been really nice bulls (trophy's in many peoples eyes)if they were allowed to mature! They for sure were well on there way to being nice 5 points, who knows maybe even 6 or 7 pointers? Keep raping the resource and pretty soon there won't be anything left, just like fishing! Wake up dude it's 2009 not 1890! Just me .02 Rant over

I have no problem with the hunting, and I have been allowed to take two elk in a season here in Washington. Most times the meat is shared within their family.

Very true. Unfortunately the nature of the beast is that everyone feels they should get what they feel they are entitled to. Everyone wants the other guy to give up their right. No one is willing to give an inch. I have said for years, since I was about twelve actually, that I would give my rights to fish and hunt for ten of fifteen years so that my kids would have the ability to enjoy the things that I had when I was growing up. That offer still stands. There has always been a lot of talk about how the previous generations did things without thinking too hard about the consequences that would arise. I say that we are doing the same thing. We continue to harvest a percentage of what is there. That is a recipe for disaster, obviously. It would seem to me that if there is a season that allows tribes to harvest that you would be able to harvest in small numbers over a long period. In turn keeping a closer eye on the populations of things. Rather, there is a mass harvest of everything at once and then there is the knee jerk reaction to the problem. Or not, and then everyone bitches about the problem all the while not doing anything about it. We all have to give up something in order to accomplish anything. Kind of Obamaish, but i don't really see a better way. In the mean time, everyone can take the time that they would spend participating in the activities that we enjoy and make a contribution to said activities (not just with money) and put some man hours into the habitat and what not. Just a thought.

Can't wait to hit the skok to see the piles of chrome fish laying on the bottom with all the eggs torn out. Oh wait the kicker of awesomeness is the hoodsport deal where the tribe comes to the beach sells some fish then takes the rest and dumps em over board. That just seems so authentic, cherish the land, the supposed native american dies and becomes the Egal, that sure as hell isn't an example of such. Major bull sh**. Thanks to the memebers of tribes that follow the RULES but you're dropping the ball big time on enforcing rules on the dip sh**s that share your perks/privileges. Maybe even consider not taking the limit but just what is needed. I hate this topic, I hate the treaty, I hate the waste of natural resources soon to bo g-g-g-ggone. Maybe Edgar and Jonas can figure it out.

I didn't mean for everyone to start bashing on this thread.
Those are both a couple of nice bulls.
I was wondering why they were taken so early?
If the season starts on July first then there is my answer.
I was also wondering if there is any kind of bag limit, and I said I am sure there is.
Tribal land has biologists that moniter the health of the fish and wildlife hence setting the seasons and limits.
Because of the population density of the tribes compared to the rest of the state the limits are sometimes more liberal on tribal land.
I know this because My granddaughters father works as a biologist for the Puyallup tribe.
As far as native american hunting off the tribal land I believe the treatys have the wording All Of the accustomed places or something to that effect.
I Think the fact of the matter is, with all of the hunters and fishermen we have these days on top of urban development and land loss we are being slowly crowded out of places to hunt and fish. And I don't know about anyone else but, that is the way I was brought up and is a part of my heritage.
Instead of bashing each other maybe we should start looking for ways to save our heritage joining Rocky mountain Elk foundation D.U Or one of the many groups out there and giving back to the fish and game we have taken over the years.
Who knows maybe someday we'll be able to take our great grandson fishing in a pond that was once destined to become a strip mall.
Ramprat

I don't have a problem with hunting, fishing, clamming, shrimping, skiing, drinking, or anything elso you can think of side by side with anyone. WTF, like I said it's 2009. Who ever thought there would be a black pres.? Who ever thought the gays would be were they are today? We don't call blacks the "N" word anymore. We no longer have slaves. You can go on and on with examples...Who ever thought we would be running out of the most presious(sp) things in life? Point being the indians use 2009 tech. and act like it 1800? Wait a minute they didn't waste a thing back in 1800, everything was used from the bones to the meet! I'm really surprised in some cases things haven't gotten worse quicker! Why do they have to have there own nation? Can't we all just live as one?

Pug. - You make some very good points. All I know is I give up more and more every year to prolong the resources by law weather I want to or not. Just seems like they should be doing the same!

GOD DAMN I HATE THIS SUBJECT! MAKES MY BLOOD BOILLLLLLLLLL!

We don't see anything from our casino, so don't even go there. My son just killed his first elk yesterday, a nice 3x4. it was a great day!!!!!!!!!! And why buy meat when you can kill your own food! Catch your own fish and live of the land! They were nice bulls and i'm sure they will eat good, i know ours will. roast, burger and some great jerky! can't wait. i will continue to hunt for other people and "rape" the resource and enjoy every minute, because i'm allowed to, and in 1890 we were still hunting in what is now the Olympic National Park. i wake up every morning wondering what to do after work, hunt or fish? life is good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rape the resorce thats the attitude to have, thats something else.

mstar----When you folks shoot a whale with a .460WBY or whatever high powered ancestral weapon was granted to you from the BIA and the 2 stroke fumes hang low and heavy in the air from the "native" hunt and after all the dust settles and the cluster fu ck is over do you still hunt Elk? Or does that whale sustain you and yours thru the winter? Do you still burn that oil to bring light to the trailer? I doubt you'll get any chit for "livin off the land" from most here but everyone has to eat..not just injuns. My ancestors hunted and fed themselves off the land just like yours.

BTW----I don't see near the amount of game in Neah as years past....but the gals out there could be eatin' it all from what I've seen.

I'd be there to help them reload that ammo.

As a percentage of the population the local tribes take a small share of the big game out there across the state. That balance shifts greatly when it comes to the fish resources.

Whoa, lots of mud slinging going on here. Don't get me wrong. I am just as aggravated as the next guy when I watch the nets go in. As far as I am concerned there is nothing that is ancestral about it. Nor the taking of mass quantities of game. I think it is worthy to note that when the Makah did their first whale hunt in 2004 or whatever the year was, everyone was invited to attend the "feast" and partake. So I can't say that they were just being greedy by wanting to do the hunt. I honestly believe that there is a deep rooted ancestral involvement in it. The last whale that was taken illegally was done so by a bunch of dimwits that decided to take matters into their own hands. Just like anyone else that does something stupid, they are representing a group of people. Regardless of whether or not it is intentional. I think it is worthy of note that the powers that be in the Makah nation were going about business in the correct manner, i.e. red tape and political bull. They were being stalled by the government in one way or another for quite sometime. Point being, they are entitled, right or wrong.

In the mean time, the REAL enemy is grinding away at our rights with the funding from over paid morons with dispensible income searching for a place to quantify their own self righteous cause and existence. At this point, the self destructive squabbling amongst tribes and sportsman alike needs to come to a halt, form one front and go after the true enemy here. The people that change the names of salmon and steelhead to "SeaKittens."

After that we can all go back to throwing mud at each other and bitching about all the fish they take and animals they kill.

Midnight rant complete. By the way, I have absolutely no proof or anything else of the sort that could hold water to back anything I said. Just like everyone else here, I blow off steam under the guise of an avatar that may or may not be me and a name that speaks for itself. (that is an attempt at lightening the mood just a smidgen)

It don't matter what year it is, what you say or what you do, things are not going to change So what, a indian killed two elk to feed a couple familys, and that's not fair because me and the rest of the cowboys can't play right now:( And we don't have whale hunting in our treaty so we can't hunt them or we probably would, i know we would. you know the saying, use it or lose it! Edgar and Jonas are just a couple HOQUATS from OLY, I think i've taking them fishing here on the Quinault for steelhead. One of them sold some kind of hook called "VISION" HOOKS? seen hin stopped by a tribal cop once, bout [censored] his pants..... funny as hell.........

They are not called "Savages" by accident and simply haven't the faculties alotted the vast majority of society...largely because inbreeding is tough on any gene pool.

I've never seen a more dense people,that has such blatant disregard for themselves and their surroundings,while extolling same(though unintentionally,which does add copiously to the inherent humor). A more wasteful people does not exist.

Funny thing about Savages is, one never knows if they are bitching or bragging in regards to their heritage,but noone with a choice would touch same with a ten-foot pole.

Such humor is tough to trump.

Crap, for a second there, I thought you were talking about the wild steelhead and salmon in our state......

Thank goodness that's not the case. Right?

Escapement must be managed at the Estuary level,otherwise you are relegating fish from an unknown system and feigning an actual impact upon the stream proper.

Injuns ain't the weakest link,despite giving it their all.

Good stuff. Have another pull and post on.

It is what it is and your reticence is well founded.

Guteaters haven't the faculties nor inclination to help themselves,which is a niggling constant in their Heritage...which spirals downwards in obvious fashion.

They bitch,they moan and then rally with their hands out to quantify a faux existence that is FAR from their means. In fairness the only things Injuns have invented are laziness,incest and bad breath from smoked fish.

Hardly a Swan Swong in that library.

Damn.

I'm learning all kinds of good stuff today. Can't wait to get home to share. Thanks.

Lucky for you,the Lesson is priced right.

I was going to mention I'd pay for some of these reads.

If you could effectively arrange Savage "intellect" into the course of discussion,under the guise of debate...I'd happily pay to read likewise.

Obviously,those stars can't be aligned,thus the lopsided chorus of common sense and the practice to refrain payment upon such shortcomings.

General Custer comes to mind, but maybe he was just a dumbass so that don't count.

You are a product of your environment and if that is the best you can do...nothing else needs be said.

For obvious reasons.

No wonder Teepee Creepers seek loopholes to sensationalize.

It beats a mirror to reflect upon.(grin)

ManBearPig?

BBQ...to their "intellect".....

Bigstick has my vote!

My vote as well

It is what it is and it surprises noone,that Injun Aspirations summit at cashing their Welfare Check(s).

Amazing to me,that a 7th World People rates even a mention in passing,let alone a legitimate concern in regards to Resource Management. They'll always screw up,be a bane per capita to Joe Average and bellyache an inordinate amount.

It's their Heritage.

They should just let them cash there checks at the state liqour store!!!!

Because you can is no reason to do the things they do!!! I could be hunting and fishing like an indian. On my mothers side of the family I am told we have indian. They wanted me to get my indian card. I just laughed and said NO WAY!!! I know the difference between right and wrong. I am an American. nothing more. nothing less. I'm not intrested in the special rights.

I can look myself in the mirror every morning without the guilt.

Kris

I JUST HUNT TO FEED FAMILY'S, HELL I KILLED 3 ELK FOR A DINNER FOR NORM DICKS ONCE, WE INVITED A COUPLE HUNDRED PEOPLE FOR THAT DINNER. BUT, THEY WERE KILLED ON THE RESERVATION.. KILL EM AND GRILL AS UNCLE TED TOLD ME..........

Regulations dont mean [censored] with out enforcement. You guys may have some rules, but seeing what the Yaks, Colvilles, modocs, klamaths, and umitilla tribes do make me want to puke. They should have handed out a few more blankets IMHO.

Pride comes in handy and it is typically those with a reserve of same,that do not go agog at the notion of something being either free or an outright hand out.

Only an Injun would be gunning genes out of the pool,lowering the Bull to Cow ratio and brag about same,under the guise of staying fed in the middle of Summer while being neck deep in handouts.

Priceless!

Only an Injun would be gunning genes out of the pool,lowering the Bull to Cow ratio and brag about same,under the guise of staying fed in the middle of Summer while being neck deep in handouts.

CLASSIC

+1


Lest we forget the Cocksuckerr who calls himself English Pete and the tremendous Steelhead he took, to get his name in a silly book. (we have a POS or two on our side of the fence as well)

Feed your Family ? I guess no one was told where the Hanson road salmon bake was last october ! Slice any way you want , justify by whatever reasons you stand behind . I hear and see way too much of this distugusting crap.
Quote: "a true hunter is torn between killing killing the creatures he truley loves " Ted Nugent

I'm sure glad to see Big Stick back. One of the better quotes of the year there.......

Keith

Need I say it.... yes
MSTAR is a total pile of sh it, typical indian though, total douche

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I once saw a native dump in Alaska that looked just like that only with unused caribou carcasses instead of salmon.

Don't tap dance around the topic, tell us how you really feel....

Keith

HEY, YOU FOUND MY BEAR BAITING STATION! THAT'S ALL THE EXTRA FISH WE HAD LEFT OVER THAT WHITE EYES NEVER TOOK! EDGAR AND JONAS PICKED THRU THEM BEFORE WHITE EYES AND GAVE THE DARKIES TO .............YOU!

Go out into the woods and do everyone a favor just sit down and f###### die no one will miss you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mstar , just the fact that you reply with such pathetic pride just sickens me, I showed these pictures to a good friend who is a quinault member and he was making phone calls for the next hour and a half trying to find out who could have done this .
You on the other hand have no problem with this , we on the other hand do ! I speak for many on this board < we do feed our families , with the bag and catch limits and do just fine, and we hold precious every moment we get to spend on the rivers of this great state , you represent the patehetic spoied bred out indian community who respect nothing of the resource ! nothing! go ahead and mock the evidence , you just show your inability and iliteracy to not handle such a freedom granted to you by which your ancestors have died for. The day will come when this shall end , when the majority of americans witness your waste and and abuse of these beauteful and priceless creatures and see how you regard them as indisposable you will see your consequences for your dis-respect ! Then maybe one day you will wake up and appreciate them the way we do, until then , shame on you , and the ones like you

sorry you can't take a edgar and jonas joke. i think they are funny as hell, two white dudes talking like injuns. to fish or hunt this weekend,,,,,,,,, that is the question. on the rez of course so chill.

I have some answers for both sides of this issue. What you are arguing about now, will mean nothing when The Imported Canadian Gray wolf is released on your game. The only differance is, when that happens all of you will be on the same side, and it will happen. When the wolves get their slaughterhouse going on your favorite hunting ground then you will see what waste really is. See for yourselves! saveelk.com

Why don't they shoot COWS!!!

Shoot,

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It aint that hard.

Only an Injun could place a Bait Station laden with fresh Salmon and not get a hit by a Bear.

Then brag about it.

WOW! I just read all postings on this topic and saw all the pics. This is just disgusting. No respect for our lands natural resources. Hopefully someone will have the cojones to change this SH#T.

And to MSTAR, I can honestly saw that if we should ever meet, it would take everything I have not to piss in your beer if you should ever set it down. I hope you see the damage people like you are causing, and see the light.

More than painful enough...that every traipse past a mirror reveals the cruel hands of fate.

Though of course someone will have to explain that to him,using very small words and perhaps a crayola.

i kill more bears than you know son.............. well my clients do. i just kill them when someone want's one to eat. like the elik and deer i kill. only to feed familys so get over it. fish piles are the best, go to salmon river this fall and you will see some serious bears. bigger stick, hell biggest stick!

hang a few pics mstar, let's see your idea of "some serious bears."

If mstar and the rest of the tribe hurry there should still be plenty of Fin whale left up in the Vancouver B.C harbor for the tribe to roll in and sell to the Japs. Heritage bein' what it is and all.

Shouldn't be too far of a paddle....

Dork!

Set down the peace pipe Tonto and sample reality.

Feel free to top it,whether head on or in profile.




Might even let you gawk the video...though spot & stalk would be another notion someone would need to explain to you.

I wasn't done paying him out slack.....

Nor am I.

What about that Poaching group that was caught recently --I am thinking in Grays Harbor--were they Native? Cant remember the name of the group, but 2 elk killed is a drop in the bucket to what this group did.


here is a link

http://www.kgw.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D96LC9RG0.html

That was the kill em all gang from SW washington and they were punk white trash.

I have a friend. He is a native American. He holds a very high position in the Fisheries and he is always happy. The only time I saw him angry was when I brought up the elk killin in the Margarett the year I drew a tag.

"What the Hell, they think the elk came over on the [censored] Mayflower."

I wannabe Guide Injun is always a sorry spectacle and a very one-sided affair. They haven't the talent,inclination,brains,brawn or anything else to work with,though curiously enough they are always eager to prove same.

They are wonderful Comedians,yet never on purpose.

I'LL FORGET MORE THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW ABOUT HUNTING SON..... WENT OUT WITH MY YOUNGEST SON LAST EVENING AND LET HIM SHOOT A NICE BIG SPIKE ELK.... GOOD EATS!!!!!!!!!! JUST PICKED UP THE ROAST, BURGER AND JERKY FROM LAST WEEKS ELK..... F-IN AWESOME!!!!!! HIT THE RIVER TOMORROW, ELK SHOULD BE ALL OVER THE RIVER, MAYBE A DEER THIA TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OHH YEAH, MAYBE A SUMMER RUN OR 10.

love you indians go mstar

you bunch of wine bags you all would like to hunt alot but cant so just keep crying

mstar,

I'll toss you another cookie on behalf of your youngest son,due to the simplistic fact the he certainly hasn't much to aspire to on your account.



Be sure to refrain pictures,that don't exist and brag about someone else processing your meat...as only an Injun could.

fishkill,

Be sure and open your yap all the way,so as to get both of your feet in there.

I suppose you will be some disapointed not being able to go huntin everyday. What are your plans when the wolves start cleaning out what game you have left in a few years. Suppose it won't be that funny then will it? Wolves will cut down on your huntin enjoyment quite quik, then you will just be a little ol fish eater.

I shot a squirrel once.

You'll note that when it comes to Game Time,the Natives aren't very restless.

Par.

hardy har har. sorry, been out hunting... just kidding. taking some fishing clients out the next two days. i even take a few of the people from this board hunting and fishing!!!!! they are a bunch of great guys who are not hateful or jealous of other people because they can help feed their family's and others. sorry, i hardly ever take a camera with me when i hunt, only when my friends bring one will i take pics. i once took gary loomis and his crew fishing and he was bragging bout all the elk he's killed, say 70-80? this was 10-15 years ago? didn't want to tell him he was half way to what i've killed so far because a guy7 has to have some pride, right? good bunch of guys though. had to hook the biggest fish of the day for them too.

Facts are facts and perception is something far seperate from prejudice.

Hardly a suprise that one photo couldn't be produced and that excuses abound.

Par.

why? cuz i kill to feed my people? i see white people "party hunt" all the time. what's the dif? when you kill 200+ elk and as many deer call me and maybe my kids will give me the message........... get over it. that's the way it is and the way it will be until i say so............. maybe i'll start hunting off rez just because............... go shoot some dumb animals.

Amazing how a single picture,is still one too many.

You are Chief Shitting Bull and heap big full of it.

I've fished your rivers and you guys are a far cry from having the fishing talent..... Let me guess, you made Gary Loomis a better fisherman......... Priceless.........

Keith

One of my best pards grew up with Gary.

Neither of which were Injuns.

No Blanketass reports?

Certainly hot enough to slip capes,spoil meat and mush fish...I figured it would be on.

I ran across one of mstars bait stations, I went over the upper salmon r. bridge, hung a right at the tee lookin for the river, not to fish just to see knowing I was on the rez when all of a sudden there is 150 or so steelhead in the road. All 12-25 lbs, all had fins, some real pigs. They didn't look like salmon r. fish though, they avg 16-20 I would say theren was too many big ones to be salmon r. fish. what a waste, you know bears do like mollasses and grease not just wild steelhead.

we don't throw wild sthd away. them are all salmon river hatchery fish. the hatchery crew dumps them there so that they are not double sampled by the spawner surveyors. what is not used by the hatchery is given away as surplus to people who want to smoke fish, which also happens at the cook cr. hatchery. many non-tribal paople come there to get fish to smoke and you are all welcome to get fish there also. last year we probably surplused 10-15 thousand fish out of both hatcherys and many of them went to food banks.

Like a Blanketass could tell the difference!

YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN TO SHUT YOUR [censored] BIG ASS MOUTH DO YOU? WHY ARE YOU SUCH A [censored] ASSHOLE? IS IT CUZ YOUR JEALOUS YOU CAN'T KILL AS MANY ANIMALS AS ME OR THAT I CAN AND YOU CAN"T? GET THE [censored] OVER IT BEAVIS......... I KNOW MORE ABOUT HUNTING AND KILLING THAN YOU EVER WILL AND IT DRIVES YOU CRAZY, DOESN'T IT...

Feel free to post a pic of even (1) of those animals. Though in fairness...you really should pick a dandy and refrain ALL of your previous TeePee-creepin' talk about Bears and the outright lies associated with same.

Or a fish.

I'd mention the axiom in regards to Native Preference,but that'd be a multi-layered Pun no ten casino's could explain to you.

Chief Shitting Bull,is heap big fitting!

Do I smell Smoke Signals?!!?

Laffin'

Poor dumb bastard,couldn't even get a fire going.(grin)

TFF.

+1, and still learnin. Should start pen'in some.

Perhaps, in the context of many traditions, there's more to hunting than the mere killing of animals....

I will say that there are some that do gain a high level of success simply because they have so much opportunity. I have fished with a couple native guys that can flat out put a hurtin on fish in a lot of situations, not just at the meatholes. Same with hunting. When you can spend as much time out in the field and kill as many animals as they do, I guess you manage to pick up on some skills that make you better at it. I do not speak of the majority of course which is sad.

I think Mstar = Tater, might be wrong, and if it is Tater, he certainly is on the upper end of the QIN members who know how to hunt well. I know many QIN folks who hunt not only for themselves, but for family members and elders.

Back on topic, these elk were legally killed, per usual and accustomed, and they were in velvet. Yeah, it would have been nice to see what size the rack was, but it doesn't change the fact that the bulls were made of meat. If I am shopping and the price of meat is one .30-06 round, and I can get 400 pounds of meat, or 100 pounds of meat, I'll pull the trigger on the 400 pound package. Saves time butchering, which I've done a lot of lately.

Nobody shrieked about my boys shooting deer in velvet. Plus, we'll be hunting here in Washington, so it is very likely that 5 deer will be spending some time in my freezer, along with an elk. If we can eat 5 deer and an elk in a year, I don't see how hard it would be for a family to eat 2 elk.

Much ado about nothing. Move along folks, move along.

I can see your point. I just don't think it's necessary to pick the biggest males in the herd when food hunting. Just because you can, doesnt mean you have too......

I seldom trophy hunt. Can't eat the horns, but when I draw a trophy tag, like the Quilomene mule deer tag I got a few years back or the Lake Quinault bull tag I have this year, I'll wait it out for a prime specimen. Any other year, if there is a 3x3 and a spike standing side by side, I'll drop the 3 point. Not a trophy, but certainly a better use of my time dragging, skinning, butchering and eating. If there was a bigger doe next to them, and it was legal, I'd drop the doe.

It is meat.

I wouldn't have a problem with Native Americans hunting & fising if they didnt show such a disregard for the resource and put out displays of piled up perfect salmon to lure game in. Or leave piles of chrome fish on the bottoms of the river after they ripped the eggs out or didnt want to waste time with bucks. I thought the whole purpose of Natives having the luxuries and leeway they exert on rivers and in the woods was so they could connect with their traditional (for lack of better word) 'zen" like way of hunting. Correct me if im worng but five Quinalt tribal rigs pulling up on a herd of elk & mowing em down with head shots and laughing it up while suffering ones run in a circle going out of their minds in pain, is the purpose of the leniancy and privilege Natives have to hunt in a traditional fashion, then those privileges should be revoked. The above story is true to the last word & has many other gut wrenching aspects. I'm sure their are some good Natives out there hunting and fishing without the disgregard for the species but it makes me less liking of those individuals for not stepping up the fight to regulate rapers of the resource like mstar. As far as your [censored] for tat I can capmore animals than you, that just reminds me of two rival gang members having a pissing match in the wind. Blow on.

Injuns are as wasteful as they are stupid,because such traits run hand in hand and it can only be bred out of them(sadly,for all).

Not much can be said for a People that was taken over by (2) tinfoil beads and a shot of Rotgut.

1000 words.

My bad.

I should plug that rifle again.

Thats a nice one

Both Bucks are quite a little bit better than that.

Takes a big stick to kill a animal? haha, shot placement son. Killed my first hundred elk with a 243. lung and head shots! killed my next 100 with a 7mm, 308 257 roberts and my last few with my new 308 icon. (20) last year.moose, bison, bears, blacktail deer you name it. Don't need pics to prove the man I AM unlike you. Have a few though, maybe soon i'll show you if i feel the pitty too. Ohh yeah, the 30-06 has taken a few too. 7mm-08.yeah. It's not all about the kill, it's about feeding people. Some people are just like this. Grew up hunting and like helping family's out. JUST GLAD I'M NOT A RACIST LIKE SOME OF THE PEOPLE HERE. And the so called "indians" that killed all the elk that day, they are a bunch of adopted white people who i would rather see have to buy a license and hunt with non-indians. They will be charged in tribal court and hopefully be dis-enrolled. there is no excuse for what they did and i was the first to tell to have them prosecuted. FLAME ON ASSHOLE.....................

. killing hundreds of animals isn't the objective or even necesssary. Leave it be and take up gang bangn perhaps. Last I checked the youth on some of the reservations I have been by are kinda into that whole fitty cent deal. Go set an example there cuzzz.

Spare time has been a commodity this hitch,though you'd need the premise of gainful employment explained to you as well.

I'm happy to talk bullets,barrels,actions,optics,propellants,etc...despite the gamut all being lightyears over your head. A portion of that due to genetics,the balance to experience,all of which you've been slighted mightily.

Racist?!!? That's a rather marvelous use of your "ability" to read sign. Pretty sure I'm setting besides a Native pard in a high alpine meadow,with him holding a rather splendid Buck that I'd just put him on and had him hose with a rifle I was happy to loan him for the foray. (S/A 700 wearing a #5 fluted 1-10" 24" Hart chambered 300WSM,HS DBM,McMillan HTG,Talley LW's,3.5-10x 40mm Tactical,yada,yada)

Feel free to continue to expound upon the countless things you are clueless about and insert another feather into your Chief Shitting Bull head dress.

As per always,very good call to omit pics that don't exist. Just don't quit talking out your ass.