those poor, poor tribal hunters

Pretty nice equipment for people running on at the mouth about heritage. Typical. Their grandpa did it so they think they should be able to do it. The tribes sure get a lot of sweet talk in the Everett Herald.
http://heraldnet.com/article/20090927/NEWS01/709279880/0/FRONTPAGE

Until then, Schuyler said, Indians must educate non-Indians about hunting and other traditional practices. Too often, Schuyler said, non-Indians aren't aware of the ancient context.

Is this meant as a joke... In my 28 years of archery hunting I've seen exactly one card carrying tribal member bowhunting. My brother and I bought him a bow, built him a dozen arrows, taught him how to shoot, and took him hunting. My father is involved with a Traditional Bowhunters group and every year they have a 3 day seminar where they teach classes from building bows, arrows, quivers, arrowheads, you name it. A big part of these classes are set aside for the kids so they can learn about traditional practices. Every year the local tribes are invited to participate in teaching traditional practices and the answer is always the same, NO. If your going to stand on the pulpit of traditional practices, you better practice what you preach.... And no I'm not indian bashing, I'm 1/4 myself, but I tell everyone I'm Irish and with jackass's like this guy who can blame me.

I'm registered Injun and agree 100% with Hatch.

If they are going to pull the "Tradition" card, they better damn well do it to the T, no pun intended.

And I mean down to the grass skirts and woven bark hats.

Talking about this subject makes me bring up the Makah and that Whale Poach they pulled where they used the traditional helicopter, traditional .50 cal Elephant Gun, traditional Scuba Gear, traditional power boats, and traditional chainsaws to hack it up.

Yeah, they had a great start with their sharp sticks and mud huts........

If they want to hunt with traditional hunting methods then they should follow the traditional seasons... Just like every other color of person has to.....

Keith

Western hemisphere native cultures would not have evolved to the same level of technical sophistication as Europeans if they had another 500 or 1,000 years. Social evolution wasn't about native intelligence, which wasn't lacking in either hemisphere. It's about resources, plant and animal and to a lesser extent, mineral. Read Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond for the concise 500 page explanation.

Funny thing is, I know Scott. He's a good fisherman.

Sg

Should follow traditional seasons? Whose? They hunted, traditionally, the year around for the 5-10,000 years they have been here.

Europeans hunted year around until, probably, about 150 years ago.

I think their traditonal hunting times have been around longer.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20090920/NEWS01/709209855

not many companies do this---just saying for the good this aint bad

more companies need to "evolve" to this type of genorosity--$3.5 million--boys and girls benefit--seems pretty fine

Now that's just pure bullschit. Most Crackers I've met would hunt every DAY if they could. Matter of fact, the only thing stopping them from doing so is a guy in a brown uniform with a badge and a gun.

A. They pay no taxes.
B. They are required to donate..."The tribe, according to its gaming compact with the state, is required to give away one-half of 1 percent of its net revenue from slot-style machines and 2 percent of its net revenue from table games. Every Washington tribe that owns a gambling venue is required to make similar donations."

I'm sure most companies would gladly stop paying taxes in exchange for donating 2% of their revenue to charity.

Irie
As one of my former hunting partners was fond of saying (I was a kid and he was a WWII vet so it was a long time ago) "We hunt deer all year and bucks in the Fall".

As any LE officer will tell you, there is a ton of year-around hunting going on. We would probably be appalled if there was some way to get an accurate estimate of the illegal kill.

"is required to give away one-half of 1 percent of its net revenue from slot-style machines and 2 percent of its net revenue from table games. Every Washington tribe that owns a gambling venue is required to make similar donations."

True--but in the Tulalips case they contribute--40% and over the 10 years and $33 million later Boys and Girls Club, Senior Citizens, Handicap, Health services, United Way, YMCA and many organizations that do not receive tax dollars can provide services for the community.

State Tax dollars are handed to the city and county official then once they get their pay raises the rest is for the community.

Not to mention-in Sno County Tulalip is second to Boeing for employment--over 3,500 (30% Tribal/70% non tribal) all pay SS and all pay Fed taxes. Much of the net is spent in the community(gas, food, movies, etc). Many local contractors and businesses depend on the Casino.

i believe it was a tradition for some tribes to raid other tribes and take slaves. should this be allowed to?

Coho,
I have to call your bluff. 40%. OF ALL NET Revenue. Really? I find it hard to beleive. Also, when you look on line they are not spending 3.3 million a year. So, Do you have anything to back your numbers up. My guess is that they are contributing 40% to social programs and directly to members, with 2% to 4% going to the surrouding community. Likely above what is required, but much less than the 7 to 10% nontribal entities pay.

Exactly. I grew up in rural Western WA. I know WTF goes on after dark up on the logging roads in this state. And spotlighting a few deer isn't even the tip of the iceberg.

I once talked the guy that managed Indian Island for the Navy. Since it was very controlled access there was likely little poaching and probably very few dogs chasing deer. They had 100 deer per square mile. Angel Island, in the middle of San Francisco Bay, had 100 or more per square mile. Again, no access for poachers, and the other predators.

Kinda gives an idea of what deer populations could be like in the absence of illegal kill. I do most of my deer hunting now on some land with tightly controlled access. See more deer in an afternoon than I used to see in 5 years of hunting elsewhere. And, there are cougar, bear, and coyote running around down there, too.