Muzzies

Posted by: NickD90

Muzzies - 04/06/18 07:35 AM

Muzzies. Not the towel kind, the freedom kind. I haven't hunted with a smoke pole since I was a kid toting around dad's old handbuilt KLR 79" octagonal barrel behemoth and it's time to get pack into the game. Gawd, that thing sucked to tote around at elevation, but it did get me a nice bull once. I digress...

It's buying season, so pick me a winner in a NW package and tell me why.

CVA
Traditions
Thompson/Center

Striker or hammer?
Pellet or loose?
Sabot or Powerbelt?
Any specific worked up loads known to perform well?

I've done my basic research, but still can't decide and it would be great to not waste my money and time. Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Posted by: Myassisdragon

Re: Muzzies - 04/06/18 04:04 PM

How far from Traditional do you want to wander ? You can still smoke pole it, no pyrodex, iron sights, and some leathers with some feathers, and take some game out to 70 yards + a couple more, or -

You can have a super lite, superfine singleshot rifle, with all the tech needed to take game out into the hundreds of yards or so, powder pellets, sabots, add on and on you can go. Add some fine gore techs to keep some wet off ya when yer crawling thru the blackberry, and itís almost a ruger no 1.

And, Itís all gud !
Posted by: NickD90

Re: Muzzies - 04/06/18 06:58 PM

The later. A modern inline that's NW compliant. Looking for a performing working rifle, not a safe queen. I'll spend whatever within reason. The higher end Traditions and CVAs are like $600 give or take. That would be fine. I'm wondering on quality between the brands and any key features such as a simple removable breach plug that may work better or easier one brand compared to the next or even between model to model.
Posted by: kingdog

Re: Muzzies - 04/06/18 07:48 PM

Why is Knight missing from your list?
Posted by: NickD90

Re: Muzzies - 04/06/18 08:10 PM

No reason, but I haven't reviewed much about Knights. Do they make a NW model?
Posted by: Myassisdragon

Re: Muzzies - 04/07/18 12:26 AM

Vortek has a Northwestern model on offer.
Posted by: kingdog

Re: Muzzies - 04/07/18 07:06 AM

Knight Bighorn is one of their models that you should consider.
Posted by: JTD

Re: Muzzies - 04/07/18 11:01 AM


I have a Knight MK-85 which is twenty year old technology maybe but that thing will print clover-leafs at 100 yards all day long. Iíd recommend: in-line over a hammer, loose powder over pellets (you canít fine tune pellets) and test several maxi-ball type (brands and weights) to see what shoots best in your gun. I have a rear peep sight on mine and that cut my group size in half.


I havenít played with it in years but muzzleloading is a ton of fun.
Posted by: wsu

Re: Muzzies - 04/09/18 10:38 AM

Wait for the new regs to come out. There is talk of making 209 primers legal.
Posted by: chrome/22

Re: Muzzies - 04/10/18 05:33 PM

Originally Posted By: JTD

I have a Knight MK-85 which is twenty year old technology maybe but that thing will print clover-leafs at 100 yards all day long. Iíd recommend: in-line over a hammer, loose powder over pellets (you canít fine tune pellets) and test several maxi-ball type (brands and weights) to see what shoots best in your gun. I have a rear peep sight on mine and that cut my group size in half.


Reflects my experience form 1992

Ran my 50 caliber 20" MK-85 with 90 grains of RS Pyrodex 240 grain swaged .429" hollow point in the green sabot.

Very accurate with the gold bead, rear peep combination.


c/22
Posted by: Myassisdragon

Re: Muzzies - 04/10/18 09:42 PM

Originally Posted By: chrome/22
Originally Posted By: JTD

I have a Knight MK-85 which is twenty year old technology maybe but that thing will print clover-leafs at 100 yards all day long. Iíd recommend: in-line over a hammer, loose powder over pellets (you canít fine tune pellets) and test several maxi-ball type (brands and weights) to see what shoots best in your gun. I have a rear peep sight on mine and that cut my group size in half.


Reflects my experience form 1992

Ran my 50 caliber 20" MK-85 with 90 grains of RS Pyrodex 240 grain swaged .429" hollow point in the green sabot.

Very accurate with the gold bead, rear peep combination.


c/22


So, how did it do as a game getter?
Posted by: JTD

Re: Muzzies - 04/11/18 08:50 AM



How did IT do, or how did I do? grin


I only played with it for a season for Mulies on the east side and Elk over here. I missed but my buddy batted clean up on a legal buck and, later , I baboozeld about 30 cows in a spike only unit. It is a safe queen now but who knows... Iíd love to get it back out again. I donít hunt as much as fish these days.
Posted by: NickD90

Re: Muzzies - 04/11/18 08:54 PM

Thanks WSU - I also got that tip from another poster and I've been doing some research on the proposal. I'm holding off until it's decided.

I've also done a few hours of research and youtube videos on various Knights. I really like what I'm seeing in that Knight Ultra Light. With the simple conversion kit, it'll shoot musket caps or 209s, so it can easily travel. At 6 lbs, it's the exact opposite of what I grew up with. 20 lb. rifles suck at 10,000 ft. It's about double what I was hoping to spend, but it looks to be worth it.
Posted by: NickD90

Re: Muzzies - 04/12/18 10:17 PM

Drew my multi-season deer. Perfect.
Posted by: snit

Re: Muzzies - 04/13/18 12:24 AM

Cool, us too as most do...elk different story
Posted by: steelhead59

Re: Muzzies - 04/19/18 11:38 AM

I have shot 6 Elk with a .50 Cal 385 grain Maxi-Ball, not a single one ever took another step. Knocked them right off their feet sideways, game over.
Posted by: LocalTalent

Re: Muzzies - 04/22/18 05:14 PM

WA rules for muzzleloaders have been relaxed.
Posted by: NickD90

Re: Muzzies - 04/22/18 07:32 PM

Yep. thumbs
Posted by: Dogfish

Re: Muzzies - 05/24/18 02:00 PM

TC inline or Knight inline. powder, not pellets. Prefer Hornady Great Plains SWC HP.

Have fun.
Posted by: Myassisdragon

Re: Muzzies - 06/13/18 11:05 AM

So, how much $$ did Nick have to spend on the new blunderbuss ?
Posted by: NickD90

Re: Muzzies - 06/13/18 01:50 PM

Haven't bought one yet. I'm waiting to see if I draw any other special tags first.

I'll probably go with the Knight Ultra Light 209 ignition. Working up loads and getting comfortable with the gun will be a fun hobby over the next couple of months.
Posted by: Driftfishnw

Re: Muzzies - 08/15/18 09:22 PM

Nick, I run a knight bighorn and itís as solid as they get.
Posted by: NickD90

Re: Muzzies - 08/17/18 07:22 PM

Thanks T. I handled one the other day and it's really nice - I can only imagine it shoots like a dream. How you've been man? Draw any killer tags this year?
Posted by: Driftfishnw

Re: Muzzies - 08/18/18 10:08 AM

Doing well, brotha!

Things are crazy busy around the roastery, but still getting out there. No draw tags for me this year (Washingtons system is rigged I swear) but have a hand full of otc tags in my pocket, for Washington and Idaho..... maybe an Oregon trip later in November, but weíll see.

Any lottery luck for you?
Posted by: Todd

Re: Muzzies - 08/20/18 10:00 AM

We just got our second antlerless tags, scouting/prepping starts in a few days!

BTW, really enjoyed the coffee you dropped with my girl, will happily accept more any time! I hear you aren't really hunting if you aren't drinking Dark Timber Coffee smile

Fish on...

Todd
Posted by: Todd

Re: Muzzies - 08/20/18 10:01 AM

I just realized I never made a season wrap up post from last year...may have to collect a few pics and get that done.

Fish on...

Todd
Posted by: Driftfishnw

Re: Muzzies - 08/22/18 01:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Todd
We just got our second antlerless tags, scouting/prepping starts in a few days!

BTW, really enjoyed the coffee you dropped with my girl, will happily accept more any time! I hear you aren't really hunting if you aren't drinking Dark Timber Coffee smile

Fish on...

Todd


Anytime! Stop by our warehouse, and get yourself some more! While youíre here, feel free to lend a hand..... weíll take any help we can get right now 🙂

DT not needed to hunt, just helps with getting yourself all tuned up 😉
Posted by: Todd

Re: Muzzies - 08/22/18 01:44 PM

Sounds good!

I would love to come by and see your setup some time!

Fish on...

Todd
Posted by: NickD90

Re: Muzzies - 08/23/18 02:57 PM

T - I will help out at your roastery if you outfit our camp with some tasty Dark Timber Coffee!

I'd even consider throwing in some on-location modeling if interested, but I'm pretty sure you want sales, so...
Posted by: Todd

Re: Muzzies - 08/23/18 03:31 PM

Originally Posted By: NickD90

I'd even consider throwing in some on-location modeling if interested...


Hold my beer.

Fish on...

Todd
Posted by: NickD90

Re: Muzzies - 08/23/18 04:09 PM

Oh great! This should end well. moose