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#1021231 - 01/31/20 09:23 PM Re: WDFW Underfunded Yet Uses Your Money for THIS?? [Re: Carcassman]
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Originally Posted By: Carcassman
When you are asking somebody to come to the table, there has to be something in it for them. What does the NI (rec) side offer to the Tribes in exchange for "open" meetings? They gonna get more fish? What would they get that they don't have already?


Valid point. Letís see...

The tribes have all the cards.
They not only don't want open meetings, doing so would appear weak. They have absolutely no pressure at all to do anything they don't want to.
They have a federal right to fish.
They have us dependent on them to get permits from NOAA
They have the money.
They have the politics and
they have the public relations.

Your right...I canít think of a single thing more to put on the table to give up .....ummmmm....since they already have the Skokomish, maybe we can offer them the Chehalis.

I suppose we CAN continue the policy of ďappeaseĒ and wait. Dunno. I guess it all depends on how much more you guys are willing to give up.

Or maybe, just maybe the Tribes arenít the monsters in the dark after all, and they might see that we really all do need to work together to save our salmon. I guess time will tell. At this point...we donít have much left to give up, but the longer the tribes take to build trust and cooperation the more we all lose.


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#1021252 - 02/01/20 10:51 AM Re: WDFW Underfunded Yet Uses Your Money for THIS?? [Re: Bay wolf]
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What's in it for the tribes? Simple, as stated above, transparency and trust. So far the tribes haven't needed to value either. Maybe they'll change their minds; maybe not. I think it's worthwhile to point out, as Bay wolf has done, that transparency and trust are on the table.

Now, about that cooperation. It remains to be seen whether that cooperation can be secured in the absence of transparency and trust. From Inslee I would say no doubt. Probably from Susewind too from my observation. But not all of the Legislature is for sale to the tribes, so we'll just have to see what transpires. BTW, time for everyone to make and send their 2-week reminders to Legislators about WDFW's budget request, support or oppose, or conditionally support. Both your district senator and representatives and to the Senate Environment and Natural Resources committee members.

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#1021269 - 02/01/20 12:30 PM Re: WDFW Underfunded Yet Uses Your Money for THIS?? [Re: Bay wolf]
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Note that the Tribes are pushing hard to be the only folks allowed to provide Sports Betting in the state. More money to "donate".

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#1021278 - 02/01/20 01:41 PM Re: WDFW Underfunded Yet Uses Your Money for THIS?? [Re: Salmo g.]
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Given history, I dont think "trust us we can help you" is much of a carrot in tribal country.

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#1021280 - 02/01/20 01:56 PM Re: WDFW Underfunded Yet Uses Your Money for THIS?? [Re: darth baiter]
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Originally Posted By: darth baiter
Given history, I dont think "trust us we can help you" is much of a carrot in tribal country.


I suppose thatís true...
I guess we deserve everything thatís happing...sins of the father and all that.

I wonder if thatís the consensus of the First Nations citizens, that itís time to pay back?

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#1021283 - 02/01/20 03:05 PM Re: WDFW Underfunded Yet Uses Your Money for THIS?? [Re: Bay wolf]
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Loc: Gig Harbor, WA
Originally Posted By: Bay wolf
I guess time will tell. At this point...we donít have much left to give up, but the longer the tribes take to build trust and cooperation the more we all lose.


Oh, we have a LOT more that we as rec's can lose. I still have pretty good fishing 12 months out of the year, although I have to drive a bit and spend some coin. The unfortunate thing is that we rec's have nothing of value to give. The Department does not seem to act in our interest, so we don't have anything they want,

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#1021286 - 02/01/20 03:44 PM Re: WDFW Underfunded Yet Uses Your Money for THIS?? [Re: Bay wolf]
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And money-wise, this isn't a pink year so WDFW can't gin up license sales with "The Pinks are Coming".

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#1021305 - 02/02/20 08:30 AM Re: WDFW Underfunded Yet Uses Your Money for THIS?? [Re: Carcassman]
Larry B Offline
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Originally Posted By: Carcassman
When you are asking somebody to come to the table, there has to be something in it for them. What does the NI (rec) side offer to the Tribes in exchange for "open" meetings? They gonna get more fish? What would they get that they don't have already?


Or, what might they lose by being intransigent on agreeing to open meetings - a concept some of the tribes espouse as a worthwhile concept at least for their internal governmental activities?

I recall testimony by tribal representatives during the legislative hearing over the closure of early winter run steelhead (thank you WFC) where those tribal reps pushed for cooperation.

Yet here we are.
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#1021392 - 02/03/20 10:58 AM Re: WDFW Underfunded Yet Uses Your Money for THIS?? [Re: Bay wolf]
Bay wolf Offline
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Registered: 10/26/12
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Loc: Graham, WA
Just read the article about the Lifeblood Documentary in the latest issue of Northwest Sportsmans Magazine.
LifeBlood, Northwest Sportsman Magazine

Interesting read.

Perhaps members of Puget Sound Anglers could contact Mr. Garner and ask him for his assistance in ending the trust killing closed door meetings, just as we did to Vice Chair Yanity?

Mr. Garner's special relationship with the Northwest Indian Fisheries Commission would place him in a unique position to speak on behalf of the non-tribal citizens.




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