PAC 10 Hoops

Watched the Husky/Texas AM game. UW didn't play to well on the road today. How many chances did they have to steal the game. At least 5.

How could AM not score a single point in the last 6 + minutes and still win the game, Chuck?

Cougs won their game though...

GO COUGS!!!

Mf

1/30/11 Dawgs Projected 2 point winner over my Coogs in Pullman... We'll see about that.

Cool site.
http://www.kenpom.com/conf.php?c=P10

GO COOGS!!!

Mf

Watched a bit of the uw basket ball game last night. Looked like they had their hands full.

Mf

A few of these posts need to move over to the "Delusional Coogs" thread...since their delusions have moved over to this thread.

Fish on...

Todd

Hey Cooger.

Shut the hell up.

Or go kill yourself.

Whichever.

KK, go with "go kill yourself"...but to be honest, I'll settle for "shut the hell up"...though something tells me a Coog won't even be able to follow those simple instructions without fukking it up.

Fish on...

Todd

Look at the big brain on me...right again.

Fish on...

Todd

My Coogs got another 'W' and are knocking on the Polls door. Won't be long.

Sweet 16 here we come.

Mf

Well Chuck no one has called you out yet so I will. The cougs cooned Santa Clara in the last few minutes. I am suprised they are not rated yet. We are playing Baylor tomorrow and the only loss they have is to Gonzaga, and everyone knows the cougs whooped up on the Zags a couple weeks ago.

The cougs really put a hurtin on Miss. State today, it was a good game to watch Cklay Thompson put on a shooting clinic that will be remembered by the NBA scouts in the crowd.

Come on Chuck, when you look at stats it doesnt look that good, but they need to be interpreted with a grain of sand. For example Miss St had the #1 Scorer in the nation and the cougs shut him down, not completly but enough to blow them out of the water.

And as far as rebounds and points per game that is dictated by the type of ball they play. If you remember the Cougs under Bennet we only averaged around 50 points per game put still made it to the Sweet Sixteen a couple of times. And as far as rebounds go, we dont let our opponents take enough shots to have a great rebound score, we get the ball with steals and take aways.

We'll find out a lot about both Wa and Wa st after their trip to SoCal!

And the Wa schools are like 1-40 at Pauley Pavilion in the last 20 years.

Kinda cool the biggest test is the first weekend!

The cougs are looking really good against #15 Baylor right now.

cougs are still good

Cougs win, We will be ranked soon.

What's better than being ranked? Beating ranked teams .

Cougs WIN another. 10-1

Ain't it great being a Cougfan!

Mf

+1

Mf

GO COUGS!!!

Nice win on the road over #15 Baylor...

Renardo Sidney could come play football for WSU any day. He's got what it takes, to be a Coug.

Mf

Lack of brains?

Poor judgement?

Merry Christmas everyone, and enjoy the WSU, Butler game tonight. Cougs going for win #11.



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GO COUGS!!!

Mf

Dan S " lack of brains" ?

To be a starting point guard for the malamutes....
Five years of High School and three tries to get a passing S.A.T score

Them Butler boy's can play ball.

WSU just needs to keep it close, keep drawing the fouls, and hit the free throws.

Mf

Butler laid the smack down. We couldn't match em.

We'll see em again in the Final 4.

Mf

Butthead is a solid team.

No shame in dropping one to them.

Pac-10 play just around the corner.........

Make that a double

Ike

WSU looked like they were out of gas in the 2nd half tonight. Probably spent too much time in Hawaii.

After UW's win over Neb, last night I decided to treat myself to the Cougar, UCLA game that I had taped. I figured I'd save the best for last.....

Mf

Both games for the Washington teams look to be good ones today. Not easy for the Huskies to get a win at Pauley. It would be great to see them start league play 2-0. Watched the post game conference by USC's Kevin O'Neill following their Wednesday loss to UW, and they really felt they should have won that game. If your a bball junky, you might enjoy his insightful comments and ample praise for the Husky team.

http://www.usctrojans.com/allaccess/?media_type=189

Note: link didn't go directly to post game conference. Had to find it on the linked page.

It was good to see a coach other than a Seattle coach explaining why they lost for a change.

Go Dawgs!! LA sweep!

First time in over 35 years we complete the SO CAL TRIFECTA and sweep both schools on the road ... this team is scary deep! They will take the Pac-10 and go DEEP into the tourney.... GO DAWGS!!

fixed for you

Dawgs played great down South. My Cougs, not so well.

Mf

The cougs had been on the road for 2 weeks and the energy in the stands was non existent.

The Dawgs are playing better then I expected.

We'll be doing it without Abdul Gaddy, though...sounds like he's out for the year with a ripped up ACL

Fish on...

Todd

Probably because if you're good enough to be on a major college program, you're probably good enough to not be there for four or five years...

Fish on...

Todd

Stop IT and you'll beat the Dawgs

Bummer about Gaddy but I suppose it's better this year before Overton graduates.

Still going to hurt them in March as he always seem the most level headed guy on the court regardless of the situation.

Good chance for the rest of the boys to step up!!

That's a totally bogus/misleading number. I can think of 5 of 6 guys who after one year playing under Romar just simply aren't man enough to be a Dawg and then transfer.

Elston Turner is just one example from last years roster! About one a year leave and this counts against the grad rate above.

That and one and dones like Hawes actualy count against that number for three years which makes it a totally bogus number.

I have no idea how this works and it makes no sense to me but the Dawgs are #20 in the RPI which is a pretty darn good place to be prior to dominating the Pac!

Luck decides to stay at Stanford AND graduate. Turns down almost unanimous 1st round draft pick. Good for him. Terrence Ross should start and bring Venoy from the bench. Best 6th man in the league

Great game today. Huskies sure figured out the Beavs zone at halftime. Outscored them like 63-33 in the 2nd half.

You know it's going good when the human victory cigar comes in at the 3:30 mark!

oregon teams limp home without a win!! now I can put on my Auburn hat and hopefully watch the flucks go down in flames on Mon night. I don't care if they are pac-10(12) rooting for oregon is never an option

My dislike for eastern bias is greater than my dislike for Oregon therefore, I'm rooting for Oregon to beat Auburn and hopefully bring a little more respect to the Pac 10. Besides, at least Oregon has steelhead to catch. Where you gonna catch one of those in the south eastern USA?

ROOTING FOR OREGON IS NEVER AN OPTION

Sorry to break this news to you dogs "UW Basketball Player Accused of Rape"

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Seattle-...-113248229.html

Doesnt say who it was only that it was a "Prominent member of the team"

Very true Chuck. However, the 16 year old has been to Harborview and had a rape kit/exam performed along with a 2 hour exam. Not good for anyone at all.

I guarantee Mr Romar will handle this properly...he is a good Man.

The Husky basketball player should have never put himself in this position. Appears like some of the crap that happened with Husky football players a while ago that was written in a Seattle newspaper a couple of years ago and made Husky fans upset. Let's hope it wasn't rape. I heard something like inappropriate touching on KOMO tonight.

If you look around, you can find the police report online...with all the names redacted, of course. The victim is alleging that she was forced to perform oral sex, and that she was penetrated by the alleged perp's fingers...

Fish on...

Todd

Hope it not a point guard.

Chuck, you catch any games tonight???:)))

Thats not nice, first my house burns down then my car falls apart??

Hate to break it to ya Chuck but there wont be one Pac 10 team that even makes the sweet 16 this year, pretty weak group all around.

I caught the video stream of the second half of the Cal WSU game that went into OT. WSU needs to learn how to rebound, and play defense. Way too many turnovers. The refs sucked. WSU needs another offensive weapon besides Klay Thompson who scored like 36. Reggie Moore's FG % is horrible. Bone needs to get these guys ready to play.

+1
How come Bone can't get this team ready to play consistently?

This is the other thing that drive me nuts about Bone. Everyone knew that they Cougs were going to try to get Thompson the ball, so why not let him be a decoy and runs some plays for someone else? Bone doesn't seem very creative.

Thompson did not attempt a field goal in overtime.

“We were trying to get him the ball every single possession, but it was hard to get him the ball,” WSU coach Ken Bone said during a postgame radio interview. “We weren’t able to execute down the stretch.”

I haven't watched any College hoops since the Ducks lost the their Bowl game. Something died inside me that day.

The last time I felt this way, was WSU Rose Bowl loss to the Sooners.

Mf

Don't even feel like sparing.... See how I feel tomorrow.

That reminds me I owe my nephew 40 bucks. Cause I bet him the Saints would beat the Hawks.

Mf

Save up the anger, once ASU comes to the Hec and puts the wood to the Dawgs Saturday it will be back:) First we have to get out of last place by pounding the Coogs Thursday...

Arizona 83
Dawgs 80


THE Arizona St SunDevils 56
Coogs 55

Next.......

"Isaiah Thomas, it's not even close, there's not one player in the country who's more disrespected across the nation than him. Not one. It's not even close," Arizona coach Sean Miller said. "If he's not one of the top four or five point guards in the country, then I'm going to tell you I want to invite these guys who vote to come and watch film."

Didn't make it there last night but you must have had a great time. Hec Ed sure can rock during the regular season.

Too bad for you season ticket holders the Dawgs will run every other opponent on the home schedule. Not as exciting when they're up by 20 with ten minutes to go

Dawgs look like the only legit team in the weak Pac10...u will probably stomp ASU by 40. Enjoy it but remember its all about March Madness and you have to win on the road...Good Luck!

How do you know thats true?Were you there ? STFU UNTIL THE FACTS COME OUT....Rod

We don't know what happened that night but isn't it 'innocent until proven guilty'. Wouldn't be the first time someone claimed rape looking for a payday.Lets hang the kid out to dry before we know what happened,ruin his future and all that...If he's found guilty..then castrate him.Until then let it be....Rod

Does it matter who the player is,give him his day in court.And I'm fine with you doing what you want, just stay the fu#$ away from my goats you assh0$e...Rod

Jeezus H. F'n Keerist................did I just see a Cooger say some sh!t about supplying liquor to underage girls?

An effective solution to this is to bulldoze the whole WSU campus. That takes care of 99.783% of the cases that occur in Washington yearly.

And for you westside Coogar fans, found the radio broadcasts on AM 1300

Looks like we'll be on FSN Saturday though I like Purple Passion's prediction too, gonna be a close one

Another UW/ASU prediction: Brendan Sherrer, the human victory cigar, will play a career high four minutes in Saturday's game.

RAISE THE ROOF!!! I admit to being a Thomas hater early in the season,because he was trying to be Nate Robinson, but I am back on his side now, as he has listened to Romar and is doing what he needs to do now that Gaddy is gone. Dawgs 114 ASU 64

Bull crap that uw gets more TV time than the Cougs.

Mf

ASU 99
UW 67

BOOK IT!!

The ASU zone might be able to hold the Huskies to 67, or Romar may tell his players to run out the clock on each possession in the second half. The Husky mascot makes it into the game this afternoon.

None weaker than ASU...no Pac 10 team has a chance to make the Sweet Sixteen? That's ridiculous...why would you even say that?

I believe that this UW team is better and more experienced than last years, which I believe made the Sweet 16 as a lowly 11 seed. I'm not sure they are Final Four quality, but pretty damn sure they can make the round of 16.

Ike

Depends on which player is the rapist....I thought you were fishing this weekend?

Ike

For the last place team in the Pac and with 9 freshman actually surprised we played that tough...Ike you know WHY, I just like giving Dawg nation a hard time brother. It is kinda BS that this mystery player is going full steam ahead but I guess until something formal is filed thats life in a democracy.

Big ? with UW is can they win big games on the road...so far the answer is NO but they have a ton of talent and really could make a deep run. Figure they lose in 1st or 2nd round or go to final 4.

Go Devils!

There is only one player with connections to the part of Seattle that the alleged rape took place and is old enough to buy alcohol.

Fair assessment on UW there Keith...but NCAA Tourney games are played on neutral sites (unless you're UNC or Duke and get to play in Charlotte every year, or Georgetown or Syracuse and get to play in the Garden). UW could/will run into trouble playing a team with multiple big men but I just like the way they play and think they will fare well. Good coaching, good guard play, and a decent defense usually spells success in the Tourney...I like their chances.

ASU? Today was the first time I really got to watch 'em. You'd think they would be better with Nate's and Hersey's kids on the team wouldn't you? I don't see how/why they are the last place team in the conference. Maybe they need Osweiler (sp?), who had a scholarship to Gonzaga for hoops locked in as a sophomore in HS to walk on? I dunno, they have the talent and the coaching to succeed in the Pac 10...I think they will turn it around and finish in the middle of the Pac this year. Can't help but think how good they would be with Harden still there...he really f'd them.

Ike

So who is it then? Inquiring minds want to know. Funny that even noone on here wants to mention/incriminate "the player" in question. I mean, I can see King5 and Romar not naming him, but if you think you know who it is let's hear it.

Ike

Hey Summerun ASU stinks!

It's pretty easy to find out who the alleged rapist is on the UW team.

Oh well its time for the Cougs vs Arizona.

Dang, Cougs came to play tonight.

Hey Chuck, are you taking bets on the Coug Dawg game next week?

Well I'm not that good of an investigator...so who is it then? I doubt your testimony will be allowed in a court of law and I double doubt some thug is going to find you in Poulsbo...why is everyone so scared to mention the fu(kers name? Let's hear it!

Coogs look good tonight...I do like watching Klay. Glad he came back for his senior year, he would just be sitting on a NBA bench this year pickin' his nose. Who wouldn't want to be the BMOC this year and a fer sure lottery pick?

Ike

Same person I heard as well.

Ike, A UW alum told me it was Venoy Overton because they could see the initials VO on the initial redacted police report. I guess whoever crossed his name out didn't do a good job. I'm not scared of anybody coming after me just thought his privacy was meant to be protected.

Klay Thompson had a terrible shooting night. WSU needs another shooting option when Klay goes cold. Williams came on strong at the end underneath and Zona shot their threes and made their free throws. That was the difference.

Thanks guys! Not like we're going to try and convict him here on PP...we only do that to those who kill wild steelhead.

Ike

I have to avoid this thread before I get around to watching my taped games.

Couldn't believe they gave that game away. But hey, gotta give props to the wild cats for hanging, and getting the win. I believe all Cougfan's would rather get the win this Sat. than the other way around.

GO COUGS!!!

Mf

Was it Confucius, or Michael Vick that said, "Never bring a cat to a Dawg fight!"

Coogs may very well win something on Saturday but their gonna get their asses kicked on Sunday

Washington by 12 points. Not a good match-up underneath.

Jake Locker will go 2-6 for 40 yards with one interception and -18 yards rushing in the Senior Bowl.

If Locker gets drafted in the third round, he'll still make more in his first year than you dildos will in your whole pitiful lives.

And his wife is waaaaaaay hotter than yours.

So suck it.

Did he hook up with her on Facebook?

Hank you take old news and run with it like it just happened, kinda like the glory days of the 69ers...most current info on Locker is that he has improved since a bad day 1 and many Mock drafts have him still going in middle of 1st round to early 2nd. His accuracy will kill him in the NFL though, he better learn how to pass from the pocket cause he cant take hits in that league trying to run.

It will be interesting to watch his career unfold...the Husky I want is Mason Foster, very similar to Hawthorne in that the dude just makes tackles like no tomorrow, too bad we traded our 3rd rounder for Whitehorse.

GO HAWKS!

You find a Q yet Spanky?

Sorry to break it to you but Jake Locker still cannot throw a good pass downfield. Maybe he could earn some money playing linebacker.

Here's the funny thing, champ.

He throws a pass well enough to make millions..............and he will.

You, on the other hand, won't.

Don't be jealous.

I was recklessly overconfident in predicting a UW mercy killing against ASU last weekend. I'm reeling in the optimism for Sunday night's game. The Huskies win by one point in a game I wouldn't want to wager on. Rooting for the Dawgs, but think it will be a tough game on the Cougars' court.

Speaking of football, here's a guy who has proven to be pretty accurate in his delivery.

http://www.wired.com/playbook/2010/10/michigan-parachute-game-ball/

It's cool to bag on a kid for keeping his word, and being a stand-up guy, even when it potentially costs him millions.

Oh yeah...............basketball.

Go Dawgs!!

Watch Locker Saturday when its for real. He might suck but because of BSU he might not...the two guys getting some of the biggest props at the Senior bowl will make him look good, as he will be throwing to Young and Pettis all day.

GO BRONCOS

I give props to Locker for staying in state to play ball. I Hope Jake succeeds at the next level.

Mf

oh ya Hoops thread...COOGS 74 Dawgs 72

Not so fast Chuck. Prosecutor's office is still deciding about charges.

Dan obviously has a man crush on Jake. The only hot woman I've seen with Jake is his mommy. If Jake makes millions it will be primarily with his legs as he is inaccurate with the long ball. I hope he proves me wrong as he has good character and great feet. I just don't want the Seahawks to pick him in the first round like Dan Maguire and Rick Mirrer.

Back to hoops I think WSU can't stop UW down low.
Klay Thompson will make millions more than any of us.
Even if Klay shoots well from 3 point range it will not be enough unless the UW big men get in foul trouble.

Dawgs by 8...book it.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. I'll go with 88-80, outcome never really in doubt down the stretch.

Sliders

Jake Locker/QB/Washington: There are a variety of opinions on Locker's performance in Mobile, but from our standpoint the quarterback leaves the week with a much lower draft grade than the one he started off with.

Locker has the athleticism and arm strength to start at the next level, yet his mechanics and accuracy leave a lot to be desired. His erratic point of release resulted in passes that sprayed about the field. More often than not Locker had receivers leaving their feet in an attempt to grab passes that were sailing over their heads, or reaching backwards trying to catch balls that were late arriving.

Many debated whether or not Locker was first-round material once the season ended. The conversation now moves to his ability to remain in the draft's top 45 selections after Senior Bowl practices.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/fo...l#ixzz1COUxi7Kd

From the news paper the games not televised. Bummer.

Mf

Thanks Chuck.

Mf

I think you have that backwards Chuck. Its a good thing he is fast, because since he can't hit water falling out of a boat, he can run to shore.

I don't wish the guy any ill will, but most reports that I have seen pretty much all indicate the same thing: Great guy, great interview, struggling with defensive reads and accuracy. Contrary to what Chuck thinks, accuracy and touch are not very easily taught or learned.

Gee, if he fails in the NFL, he be doomed to.........................play major league baseball, and earn millions doing that.

What a shame.

The issue with Locker really isn't whether or not he will "fail" in the NFL. Personally I think he can succeed. The big question is whether or not he is worth drafting in the first round and it might be better for Locker's career to not go early in the 1st round but rather later to a better team where he can develop without all the pressures. Just not in Seattle.

Rob Rang has Locker going to the Patriots.

Not if he has the same accuracy and ball control with a baseball as he does with a football. Scary prospect if you're facing him as a hitter.

But hey, it worked for "Meat" in Bull Durham though.

How fitting.

Jake would be schooled under Brady, who was mentored by the Greatest PAC 10 QB of all time.





Mf

He got a Championship ring....right.... And don't forget confetti.



Mf

Bledsoe's problem was that he threw off his back foot.
Rypien won a Super Bowl MVP award. Leaf was the 2nd pick in 98 and was the best WSU QB.



Jake was 6-10 for 98 yards and had -10 yards rushing, one sack, and one fumble. His long balls were off target. The announcers said his feet are too close together when he sets up to throw. However he did drive the North on a scoring drive with a dunk pass /30 yard run and the drive was aided by a PI call.

Locker just dropped off Kipers Big Board...goes to Hawks in 4th round!

Chuck you watching hoops tonight? Beavers r looking Goooddd...

Isiah "playground" Thomas just isnt gettin er done at PG. Gaddy loss is starting to show up...

+1

Fish on...

Todd

+2. just looked at the box score: cougs shot 25% from the field

Isaih sucks!! he still thinks he is nate robinson.What a pile of carp

Good game dawgs.

Hey, I was being nice dipsh!t

jeezus

That was messed up.

Chucky, u watching any hoops today???:)

All I can say is wow. Unbelievable what both Oregon teams have accomplished. Congrats.

Hopefully my Cougs can squeak out a win before we leave with our tails tucked.

Mf

Come on Chuck, look at the bright side......oh never mind.

Mf

Don't take it personal bd.

Coug fans have always been more gracious in losing, than dawg fans.

Mf

That's because they're so used to it.



Stupid Dawgs. No heart left in this team.

I find it disheartening to read your berating of the team. I've watched the dawgs last few games.... They're definitely missing Gaddy's play. But your team is giving it everything they've got. Seriously.

Please be more respectful of the dawgs here.

Mf

What I find disheartening is their lack of heart. Hell if this team is giving all they've got.

Not even close.

They need to take another look at the way they've played in the last 3 games, and figure out how to change it.

The Dawgs will bounce back, the seasons not a wash yet. Have faith.

I'm about to fix a drink Dan. You want one?

Cougs are up 10 early over the Beavs.

Mf

I'm going for the Goose right now.

Nice. I'm having one of these.



Long island ice tea.

Enjoy the game everyone.

GO COUGS!!!

Mf

Classic.

Sports are cool that way......win = drink....lose = drink
Tomorrow......same as today

Go "X"
no
Go "Y"

Both produce

Here's to tomorrow

I know you're pissed off chuck . But why are you being so rude?

Get over it.

How about the Cougs win over the Beavs? Hard fought on both sides.

Those Oregon teams kicked some Wa. @ss. You Oregonians got to be proud. Way to go!

Mf

One of the classiest post I've seen on PP.

I'll drink to that.

Mf

Tell me your beautiful wife and kids aren't walking on pins and needles tonight?

Be nice.

Mf

something very wrong in Dawgville. I don't know if the alleged rape is doing it or if the team just doesn't like each other. I don't think its the Gaddy injury, it was going on before that.Whole team was standing around while Isaih begged for the ball. Then he drives and gets stripped. Be afraid,very afraid. This aint done yet (2 games down to Arizona) but it's getting closer by the minute

Hey Chuck, let me know when you're ready to talk....

Mf

Let it out Chuck....

I'm here....



Mf

Damn...UW is doing some bad things to Cal right now...serious ass whoopin' in process.

Fish on...

Todd

UW is kickin some ass, WSU is cougin in right now WTF!

at least Chuck will be able to sleep tonight!

Just shows what head cases they are. WTF was this team last week?

I hope they got their heads screwed on right again.

it's total buuuuulshit that a thread started by MF has reached pg.14!!!!

My Cougs won again!

Mf

Just read this thread for the first time in a while...didn't realize there were so many opinions on Locker in the college hoops thread.

Tough loss for the Coogs today...with their chances at making the Dance still in question you'd think they would have came out and stomped a 1 win ASU team, wouldn't you? 17-10 with three games left...it's gonna be close.

I just clicked on the Civil War game....although I am colorblind, those jersey colors, on that court, should be outlawed. To my eyes it looks like the whole crowd vomited on the court on the way to their seats. Atrocious!

Go Huskies!

Ike

That WSU loss was a heartbreaker...and I'll probably be pissing off the CoogFaithful, but it was Klay Thompson's fault, clear and simple.

He was late to a team meeting, and was benched for the start of the game...and the Coogs all started out sluggish, clearly missing having him on the court.

By the time they rallied, they rain out of time. Thompson had something like 28 points, with 26 of them in the second half. A few baskets by him in the first half would have been the game maker.

Oregon just whomped on OSU, not a big surprise...and now the game of the week, by far...UW v. UofA...this is gonna be a goody, I hope!

Fish on...

Todd

Cats Claw the Dawgs and move into the Top 10...
UA 85 Dawgs 79
BOOK IT:)

It's gonna be worse than that if the Dawgs don't get a move on

Fish on...

Todd

Best WSU can do now is get a NIT invite. This team only has two Pac-10 players worth a [censored] and one defensive specialist. Motem needs to improve as the Aussie is no Baynes. Will not get far in the Pac-10 tournament.

Looking forward to spring football practice and baseball. Also looking forward to the NFL combine.

Pretty close there Keith...hope you bet the over and not the spread!

Good entertaining game...sloppy at times but fun to watch. Williams is the POY for the Pac 10 without a doubt.

Ike

the losses to Oregon and OSU looming pretty large for the Dawgs...................Its always something. The Dawgs will win out and will be dancing in March

Tough loss for the Dawgs yesterday against UA. One of the greatest games I've ever seen. Too bad the Dawgs took it on the chin.

My Cougs lost a heart breaker against ASU. But I got to give the Sun devils props for taking it to the Cougs.

Just finished watching Cal upset the Bruins. What a game in OT.

Looks like my Cougs won't win the Conference title out right and will have to win the tournament for an invite.

GO COUGS!!!

Mf