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#286274 - 12/28/04 05:24 PM Crab BOHICA
AuntyM Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/06/01
Posts: 10120
Loc: Harstine Island
Just got word from Gary Hulsey, that shellfish managers are proposing a 4 day a week season and a limit of 4 per day. Not sure which areas, maybe all?

It's time to write the Commission and tell them NO! Here is a tidbit from Gary.

Quote:
Recreational crabbers got 1.7 million pounds of the over 35 million pounds of crab landed in Washington this year and we are not getting a fair shake
It will only take a minute folks... PLEASE email or call the Commission!

360-902-2267

commission@dfw.wa.gov
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#286275 - 12/28/04 05:38 PM Re: Crab BOHICA
grandpa Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 08/18/02
Posts: 1843
Loc: brier,wa
I have gotten a bunch of emails on this issue. Seems that the commission is once again ignoring the public or more than likely misrepresenting the public's desires. Here is one short email note I am sure JD won't mind me sharing:
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I was also informed by Lisa Veneroso that "staff" will propose to the commission next month, 2005 dungeness crab season in Puget Sound be reduced to 4 days per week, Wednesday through Saturday, in all areas, and daily limits be reduced to 4 per day.
She told me the response from my articles in F&HN and TRN generated huge responses to her office, the director and the commission. The results from those responses indicated the public was willing to reduce to those guidelines in order to have longer fishing opportunities.
J.D. Wade
From the feedback I have heard this is the opposite of what the crab advisory board and the crabbers out there are saying. OK to the weekly restriction days but no to the reduced limit....What happened to reducing the commercial catch and spreading the lopsided share to sports crabbers?
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#286276 - 12/28/04 07:08 PM Re: Crab BOHICA
ROCK Offline
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Registered: 08/14/03
Posts: 486
Loc: Between 2 Mountains
Just like normal we are going to take it in the backside
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#286277 - 12/28/04 07:16 PM Re: Crab BOHICA
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I had heard rumblings about the reduction in days per week although I thought it was going to be 5 days per week.

I had not heard about the reduced daily bag limit.

Bummer.

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#286278 - 12/28/04 07:27 PM Re: Crab BOHICA
AuntyM Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/06/01
Posts: 10120
Loc: Harstine Island
More info... This is from Corey Freeman via Gary Hulsey

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The proposal will be 4 days/week with only one weekend day and a bag limit reduction from 6 to 4 SOUND WIDE. This is an attempt to look like the Department is trying to increase opportunity and take the heat off without addressing the true problem: ALLOCATION INEQUITY. This proposal has to be vigorously opposed for several reasons. First, the Department does not have accurate data in which to base their decisions on. Second, in Marine Areas other than 10 through 13 the problem can be fixed by adjusting the allocation levels to a more equitable level. Third, if the bag limit is reduced and the Department obtains accurate data that shows the reduction was unwarranted the chance of regaining lost ground is virtually impossible.



During negotiations that spawned the Puget Sound Dungeness Crab Endorsement Fee, there was an agreement that the Department would not adjust the season until at least after one full year of improved data. The Department is now backing out of that agreement and I expect the Department to oppose the Puget Sound Dungeness Crab Bill that will be introduced this session to deal with the allocation issue in the Puget Sound.



It is now time to stand up and let the Department and Commission know that any adjustments to the recreational crab season in the Puget Sound until the allocation issue is addressed and the Endorsement Fee has gone through a full year providing more defensible and accurate data is unacceptable.



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2 fish limits and kill all natives who get in the way. Hatchery fish rule!

The "NEW" northwest sportfishers creed?

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#286279 - 12/28/04 10:27 PM Re: Crab BOHICA
FishNg1 Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 1134
Loc: Gig Harbor, WA , USA
I have sent my e-mail to the commisioners office.

Commission@dfw.wa.gov

Steve
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#286280 - 12/28/04 10:43 PM Re: Crab BOHICA
Terrapin Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 06/29/04
Posts: 181
Loc: Tacoma
Thank you for posting the commisions email. I too have sent an email. I am finally at the end of my rope with the WDFW and the commercials getting complete run of the fishery has got to stop!

CF

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#286281 - 12/29/04 08:32 AM Re: Crab BOHICA
troller Offline
Spawner

Registered: 07/11/02
Posts: 617
Loc: BLACK DIAMOND , WA
Quote:
Originally posted by FishNg1:
I have sent my e-mail to the commisioners office.

Commission@dfw.wa.gov

Steve
Thanks my email was sent this morning.

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#286282 - 12/29/04 08:59 AM Re: Crab BOHICA
baddawg Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 12/14/01
Posts: 1055
Loc: Everett WA
Sent my email today.

The only way I could even consider supporting a proposal such as this is if the allocation issue were addressed and the total commercial catch, including the tribes, were reduced by a similar percentage (1/3 less crab and about 40% less days crabbing).
Of course I am not holding my breath waiting for our commission to actually listen and I am almost positive that the legislature or governor would want to do anything about something people actually care about. They will be busy revamping our election process in order to put the parties in controll of the ballot counting and changing the ballots to have only one place to mark, democrat or republican.
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#286283 - 12/29/04 09:19 AM Re: Crab BOHICA
AuntyM Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/06/01
Posts: 10120
Loc: Harstine Island
WDFW staff wants to push this through NOW because they know we'll NEVER go back to what we had, even with newly appointed Commissioners.

I hope Gregoire follows through with her assurances.
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2 fish limits and kill all natives who get in the way. Hatchery fish rule!

The "NEW" northwest sportfishers creed?

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#286284 - 12/29/04 09:48 AM Re: Crab BOHICA
Kyle_A Offline
Spawner

Registered: 12/03/00
Posts: 618
BOHICA, funny! I haven't heard that since I was in the Navy years ago!

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#286285 - 12/29/04 11:46 AM Re: Crab BOHICA
SnowDog Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 11/12/02
Posts: 252
Loc: Redmond
Sent my email and also a fax today...

Quote:

December 29, 2004

Attn: Will Roehl
Washington Fish & Wildlife Commission
600 Capitol Way North
Olympia, WA 98501

Dear Will:
I am writing this letter to let you know that I am strongly opposed to any modifications to the Puget Sound recreational crab season that would result in further reduction of the season or catch limit. It has come to my attention that the Commission is considering reducing the daily limit for Dungeness crab from six to four and also considering reducing the season to just four days a week. It was my understanding that the department had agreed not to make any changes to the Dungeness crab season until after the department had one full year of data from the new catch record system and additional endorsement fee.

In addition, I am also a strong supporter of making changes to the allocation of shellfish, crab and shrimp, resources between recreational sportsmen and the commercial harvesters. The current allocation of resources is not in the best interest of the state and the result is a loss of tax revenue to the state and income to the businesses that support the sportsmen.

It is time that the department and commission take seriously the unbalanced allocation of shellfish resources. Failure to address this issue in 2005 will result in continued dissatisfaction by the majority of the people of Washington State who pay the taxes and fees that support the fishery. I promise you that I will be putting my full support behind the recreational sport fishermen this year, and intend to fight any changes that further reduce our fair share of the shellfish resources of the state. We are tired of watching the department and commission catering to the very small Puget Sound commercial shellfishing special interest.

Sincerely,
Erik Benjaminson

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#286286 - 12/29/04 12:09 PM Re: Crab BOHICA
TideGuy Offline
Parr

Registered: 09/18/03
Posts: 63
Loc: Federal Way
Sent my e-mail today - There is no way we should let this happen - How many recreational pots are really out there? I would guess that we may not have even caught 1.5 million pounds

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#286287 - 12/29/04 12:13 PM Re: Crab BOHICA
bobert Offline
Alevin

Registered: 10/06/04
Posts: 13
Loc: algona
It won't matter what the commission does. Nothing will stop the Bolt quota. Once it's reach the season ends. why not make the season last by smaller limits and fewer crabbing days a week? Get rid of the puget sound enhancement tax. What's being enhanced? for whom?
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#286288 - 12/29/04 01:11 PM Re: Crab BOHICA
SnowDog Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 11/12/02
Posts: 252
Loc: Redmond
Bobert - You are right that there is little we can do to overturn the Bolt issues, but we still need to fight for our fair share of the remaining 50% of the harvestable shellfish (and salmon / steelhead).

Right now the big issue that we can fight is the unballanced allocation of resources to the non-indian commercial harvesters. There is no need to reduce our season as long as teh majority of the harvestable resources are being allocated to the commercials.

SA
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#286289 - 12/29/04 01:14 PM Re: Crab BOHICA
T-rex Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 115
Loc: Auburn
I just called Olytown.

On January 14 in the afternoon the “Staff” is going to present this proposal to the commission. This will be followed by public comment.

I didn’t have time to write down all the info that the person answering the phone gave me. But, she promised to e-mail me the agenda and dates and all the stuff.

If some one gets the info before me post it up other wise as soon as it come it I will.

I for one will make the drive to Olympia on the 14 and how many other days it takes.
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#286290 - 12/29/04 01:22 PM Re: Crab BOHICA
cast and blast Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 282
Loc: Edmonds
I sent mine and included the mission statement from thier own website. I asked to consider econimic viability, recreational opportunity, allotment considering those factors and protection of the resource for the future.


Mission statement is below. (Seems to me the paragraphs are in the wrong order, but that is a debate for a different day...)


Sound Stewardship of Fish and Wildlife

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In pursuit of this mission, the Department of Fish and Wildlife will strive to achieve these goals:

Department-wide leadership that is effective, efficient and results in public confidence in department management.

An environment of respect and trust within the department fostering quality management and decision making.

Recruitment, development and retention of a diverse, effectively deployed and well-trained workforce.

An informed public, participating in policy development and contributing to quality decision making.

Partnerships with public and international entities, tribal leaders, public volunteers and service groups to share responsibility for fish and wildlife.

Effective practices partnerships with landowners and land use decision makers to maintain and enhance habitat.

Maximum fishing, hunting and non-consumptive recreational opportunities compatible with healthy, diverse fish and wildlife populations.

Sustainable management of marine resources to maintain the economic well-being and stability of the state's fishing industry and to enhance recreational and commercial fishing in state and offshore waters.

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#286291 - 12/29/04 02:47 PM Re: Crab BOHICA
AuntyM Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/06/01
Posts: 10120
Loc: Harstine Island
Bobert,

Consider this. If there was 35 million pounds of crab harvest... the tribal share is 17.5 million.

Sport was 1.7 million.

Non tribal commercial is left with 15.8 million!

Why should the sport crabbers be the ones to "sacrifice" because of Boldt? Does the non tribal commercial share look fair to you compared to sport crabbers?
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#286292 - 12/29/04 03:17 PM Re: Crab BOHICA
Hoghunter Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 02/06/03
Posts: 423
Loc: Snohomish
I've sent an email as well. Once again this is outrageous. We're the one's getting hosed.

I was just out fishing from Everett twice in the past week and the tribal and non-tribal crabbers are still going strong. Have been since before our brief summer season and everysince we quit. I don't count them but it looks like more pots than I ever saw out there when our quota was being fished. So think about it we get what was it 50 days of crabbing and they get 5 to 6 months.
Recreational fisherman put the most into the economy. Tribes run the fisheries in this state and what they don't take is then given first to the remaining commercials and we get piece meal that's left. I just heard yesterday that the tribes have been fishing crab on the ocean for some time and the non tribal commercials are having tizzy fits because they can't start until mid January.

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#286293 - 12/29/04 05:09 PM Re: Crab BOHICA
T-rex Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 115
Loc: Auburn
This is my letter of retraction.

I was caught in a knee jerk reaction due to figures presented to me buy various reports of the impending WDGF commission actions.

Although the figures appear to be correct, they are just a little deceptive. Please understand I’m not saying anyone tried to pull “one” over on anybody. I am just saying after some brief research, What I read ain’t the way it is. I will attempt to put these figures into a prospective that some folks won’t be happy with.

All figures are close enough for government work.

35,000,000 pounds State wide
17,500,000 tribal
1,700,000 sports catch.

These figures are correct as close as I have been able to determine so far.

BUT why are we talking statewide figures when this pending action only effects the greater Puget Sound area.

The figures as reported to me by a “Staffer”

Crabbing seasons for the greater Puget Sound

2002/03 Commercial 2,848,000 pounds
Sports 1,339,000 pounds
Total 4,187,000
Tribal about the same total of sports and commercial (remember it’s the law)
Total-Total 8,374,000 pounds

2003/04 Commercial 2,877,000 pounds
Sports 1,707,000 pounds
Total 4,584,000
Tribal Lets figure the same again
Total-total 9,168,000 pounds

2004/today Commercial still open they haven’t reached the quota of 2,623,000
Sports Closed early because of over quota 1,575,000
Tribal same-o same-o
Total-total 8,396,000 pounds


So the figure of 1,700,000 for 2003/04 seems to be correct. But there are a few pounds of crab missing from the equation. Like 25,832,000 pounds to be exact.

Where’d that 35,000,000 figure come from?

Lets try adding in marine areas 1-2-3 aka the Pacific Ocean. And that my friends doesn’t belong in the equation. Why? You ask, well I’ll tell you why, causes you can go out there right now and drop your two pots and take your 6 crab. And you’ll be able to it this time next year too.

I see this debate as to allocations or do the commercials deserve about 1,100,000 pounds more than the sporty or how accurate are the figures.

As it stands now it’s static.

According to my source (the staffer) there was an overwhelming outcry for a longer season so the sporty could crab on Labor Day. As I recall it upset me, that, on the last summer holiday, all I could do was look at the Hood Canal.

As the gambler would say—You gotta know when to hold them and when to fold them.

I fold.
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