Here is California's attempt at bumping up the Sacramento RIver and get it going again. Sounds like they have it figured out. I figured it would suit this thread.



In an effort to bolster dwindling King salmon stocks the Coleman National fish hatchery on Battle creek a tributary of the Sacramento River is scheduled to release 12.6 million smolts. Approximately 1.4 million will be set free in San Pablo Bay, which may not return to the hatchery as adults because they will not be able to imprint on the river.

Show me one repy Marsha where I was Anit-CCA. Your statement is way off base if its directed at me. Do you think I would be on the Banquet commitee if I was behind them 100%

My only complaint is thta they "seem" to only want to take care of our wild and native fish. Nothing about our Hatchery fish and I feel we need both to satisfy fishing opportunities for everyone.

Fishing was outstanding for Summerrun on the Cowlitz during '06 from a heavy plant. How did the tribes and commercials affect us from not getting limits that summer?

Some rivers are just plain meant for nothing more than HEAVY HATCHERY PLANTS.

That sounds like Arnolds way of covering up his theft of the water. Arnold needs to go. He is definatly not a fish advocate.

Did I miss the response to this somewhere??????????

WTF? You asked ME about CCA and I gave you a response. Now my answer is way off base? I don't think so. Going all hatchery IS lame brained. The consequences of such an action should easily occur to you and the rest of the proponents of this idea.

Aunty,

That was me not jerry

You won't catch me within a country mile of CCA. As much as the wool is pulled over the eyes they're destined for all around closures. Its all in the same reason I won't join any of the active groups out there, none of them will bring the fish wild back..........

As far as cutting of the nose to spite the face? What's that supposed to mean? Call me greedy if you'd like but it has nothing to do with making a living on the water, I just want to catch fish and thousands of them......

Keith

Other than piss pour wild steelhead returns across the basin and a LRB Native fall king stock in the Lewis and Sandy what other Native fish do we have in the Lower Columbia?? Pikeminnows???

Keith

Won't happen and it has nothing to do with your greed or lack thereof. It has to do with expecting a fair share, which you're not going to get. Once native fish are out of the way, commercials will be netting in places you never DREAMED they'd be allowed to.

Sorry about the mix-up and yes Jerry, I did respond to that comment.

Maybe you are so Pro-CCA that you can't see who your responding to. Slow down a little and make sure your replying to the right post. That Is Lame - Brianed!

So where's the balance point then... Take the netters out and we won't have shiat for fish to catch because the states won't plant any....

CCA better have some deep pocket books because they're about to disrupt it all in the next 3-5 years....

Keith

Jerry, this thread isn't about CCA, so don't try and pull that crap. It's about a bunch of guys promoting a really stupid idea.

Same response to you Keith. This isn't about CCA. It's about doing something stupid without knowing the consequences.

Jerry,

Marsha is living a pipe dream if she really believes the BC fisheries can target a specific run destined for an individual river. If so, why is every river in the west coast of the Northern American Continent in big trouble,

HELLO PEOPLE. if it is a river problem with habitat or water quality or hatchery fish running off wild fish spawning beds, then why are the rivers with only native fish not getting any better.

The Siletz river has never had a Spring or Fall chinook planted in it EVER.
The spring run has very limited pressure from anglers and has sustained a run of about 2-500 adults. There are NO hatchery fish in this river and it only gets a few hundred native springers. Why? They are not getting harvested in the river, so how come they are not rebuilding.

If we stopped planting fish in rivers like the Miami, Nehalem, Kilchis, Tillamook, and many other rivers, why are we not getting a better return of wild fish? Marsha? Any answers.

Why are the chum still in the tank of the Kilchis/Miami. We stopped all harvest of them 20 years ago and the runs are no better now than then. If fact they are worse.

The Umpqua has a large hatchery plant of Springers with a return of about 3-4000 hatchery springer to Rock Creek. Yet they have an good run of wild springers too. How do you explain why the native fish are not gone with all the hatchery fish that they plant there.

How can you explain the great wild steelhead runs of the Oregon coast................... Wilson, Trask, Nestucca, Nehalem, Siletz, Umpqua and many more. Most of these rivers have been flooded with hatchery steelhead at one time or another. Most of those were out of a different strain of fish. Yet these rivers see great native returns. If you believe what marsha says, then they should be absend or decreasing in wild fish numbers because of the interference. Yet they are doing well. nobody was crying in 2004 when the runs were booming and now so many people want to blame the hatchery fish for the demise of the wild ones. Total BS.

Explain the Siletz spring run if what Marsha belives is true. Never had a hatchery salmon ever. Yet it never gets better or worse.

Pull what Crap? WTF? You responded to me thinking I made that point when it was actually Jo-Jo commenting on CCA. Like I said refresh your browser, slow down and go back and re-read Jo-Jo's reply. Wasn't me.

And yes I am a Fishing Guide and thats my way of making a living. I do know thta you have a favorite fishing guide over on another board and he might have an opinion about removing hatchery plants. Seems he also would not be the fish catching machine he is n the Cowlitz without Massive Hatchery Plants.

Question for you. 9778 posts from the computer. Do you ever fish on the water or just from the keyboard? Just a question.

Aunty,

The thing is all the wild fish advocates have no viable plans to support their side. No one has a clue how to save wild salmon. To this day the state still thinks hatcheries are the answer. I am on the fence, but I am losing faith, nothing has been proven to me that wild fish advocates are making any headway.

Jerry, I think it's time I stick you in ignore mode. You and a few others just want to play a game this morning, so go play with yourselves. You've decided I have taken a stand on only one "H" and I clearly never did and told you so.

And I sincerely hope ANY potential customers for guide trips take some of these comments to heart and find other people to hire.

Oh, and FOAD.

You want to save some wild fish you need to broodstock them the get the highest survival rate possible. Take 50 wild springers from the Siletz basin and spawn them in a natural river bed or fabricated replica of a river bed. Only using water fron the Siletz basin. Use cold pure water with tons of bugs and other natural feed. Release all those fish in the river where you took them from. Watch what happens in 4 years. You now gave the wild fish a huge boost in production. try this in every stream and you will be in great shape in a few years.

If you don't believe me, how can you explain the great broodstock steelhead fishery in the Siletz. They only plant 50,000 smolts and we see an annual harverst of about 4000 fish. That's an incredible recovery.

Dont' clip the wild offspring and you now have test tube baby with natural parents and a very strong dna backround.

Must have hit a nerve with ya! LOL Never did answer the question. What is the river code for catching fish from the computer?

Trust me I fish as many clients a year as you sign in to the 3 BB your on.

Oh and FOAD? Thats real mature for a grown Lady! LMFAO

Nice, real classy lady.

I'm sure that doesn't stand for [censored] off and die. no way she would say that.