Why would she have to worry about her senatorial campaign when she's going to be the VP come November?



Fish on...

Todd

I'm well aware of how the electoral system works. Wasn't it The Hildabeast that said it should be abolished?

Before you declare the winner based on the latest changing of the polls (and I watch them on a daily basis) let's wait until after the election before you have the victory party.

Oh, I'm waiting...after all, Diebold doesn't worry about the polling

The trend is pretty strongly pro-Obama, this debate didn't help the Repubs much, if at all, and the next couple debates where McSame has to compare his 'maverick' status to being lockstep with BushCorp. on domestic issues and the economy will do nothing but put a few more staples in the sack that is John McSame's campaign...

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. Hank, I wasn't talking to you about the EC...even if we don't agree on all of our political opinions, yours tend to have some substance and knowledge behind them...unlike some of the Palin cheerleaders here.

The current trend is most definitely Pro-Obama. Before that they were most definitely Pro-McCain. It's a cycle that has been repeating itself and the biggest surge (pardon the pun) for McCain was after Palin was unleashed.

I tend to disagree that this debate had little impact for the R's. I think her magic was starting to wane and her performance tonight put her back into a positive light. She didn't knock one out of the park but she clearly held her own against someone that has been doing this for over three decades.

I know you'll be watching the polls for the next few days. Let's see what happens.

I don't watch the daily trackers, as to me they're better suited for the news cycles, than anything related to the final result.

Palin didn't collapse, beyond that it's obvious who has substance, and who does not.

One of the reasons she fared better than in interviews was the lack of follow up questions.
It wasn't the mods fault, it was the way the format worked (I think McCain'ts people were adamant about that aspect of the formating, for all the obvious reasons)

Most of her nonsense answers in interviews were followed up on, and that's where the wheels really started to come off the tracks for Palin.
If she has to elaborate beyond a talking point, it gets ugly fast.

If follow up questions were an aspect of this debate, it would have called under the 'mercy rule'.

She's Bush with a bush.


Dumb.


Carry on...

KK, I think you're hitting the nail on the head...it's easy to say...

"Supreme Court justices shouldn't legislate from the bench"

...and leave it at that.

Hell, you don't even have to know what that means, and you can energize the 28%'r's just by saying it.

However, if the next thing that happens is...

"So what instances of Supreme Court justices legislating from the bench have really ticked you off?"...

...and you don't actually know any SC opinions, then it shows that you don't know what you are talking about, but are instead just repeating the talking points you heard from Rush "My fuckin back hurts so bad!" Limbaugh, or Sean "Yes, I really am as stupid as I seem to be!" Hannity.

Works fine with the "base" (bwp, Magicfly, etc....), but doesn't actually fly with mainstream America.

Tonight she got to blurt out rehearsed talking points, and not have to suffer through actually explaining what she meant...which was good for her, because based on the last week of interviews, she wouldn't have been able to do it.

Fish on...

Todd

It's rumored that Hannity was 'coaching' her with the talking points, as opposed to someone with a brain actually giving her some depth on things.
Given the format, talking points she could remember was likely deemed their best shot to get through the debate in one piece.

There was no way she would be able to get nuances of policy matters down in the short amount of time she has been the nomineee, because she's not ready for prime time.

It almost seemed as if she was ONLY playing to the base at times, when they really need to move some undecideds, and undecideds are definately not the base.

That's been the MO from the get-go with Palin.

She talks about what a 'maverick' McSame is, but really seems to be talking to the base and reminding them that he's not really a maverick at all, but is just like them.

He's managed to overcome his bull$hit maverick status with the base, because they know better, but the double edged sword is cutting his sack off right now, namely that the actual voters he needs to reach know that his 'maverick' status is bull$hit, too...

He can't have it both ways...appeal to the base and the undecided, too...and he made an enormous tactical blunder by picking a VP that only appeals to the base, who would have voted for him, anyway.

The "undecided" don't like him, and don't like Palin, either...he should have chosen someone who would endear him to the voters he actually needs to win the election.

He would have been better off with Joe "I have no fuckin idea who I am" Lieberman.

Fish on...

Todd

Do you think Obama has the balls to look this Killer in the eye's and tell him that he holds his pole like a little b1tch?

Didn't think so....So why would you elect him?

Now Palin....oh yea....she'd tell him no problem.

McCain/Palin 08

Mf

brewer don't really know who this guy is. cept he looks like on of the yokals who comes out of the woodwork every mid august. he fishes the washougal tossing the shougal fly. the bowie knife was the givaway.

Putin's a bitch.

Everyone knows spinning rods are for trout and crappie.

Bitch fish.

Fish on...

Todd

Are you sure? take another look....this killer likes using little BLACK glow ball's.....



Mf

I found the debate to be a little be more entertaining the McCain Obama debate. Joe Biden was a little boring, but had really good answers. He actually answered most questions with either Yes and No then elaborated. Palin did better than I thought she would, but it was all coached and cover my *ss answers. The only thing that was all Palin, was the quorky "Joe Six Pack" , "Gotcha" , "Soccer Mom" , "Up there in Alaska" quotes.....
I can't remember whom on this thread said the moderator is writing a book about Obama, well she isn't, the book is about all African politicians, Obama just happens to be one of them.

Go Obama and Biden..

Here are the word clouds from last nights debate.
http://wordfaceoff.blogspot.com/2008/10/sarah-palin-vs-joe-biden-vs-glen-ifill.html

Overall opinion was that Palin did much better than predicted and Biden did as well as expexted. What do we know now that we didn't know before the debate? Nothing. Except that maybe Biden and Obama are against gay marriage. Here I thought that all Dems. were for the moral decline of our nation and taxing everyone for everything including air.

Politicians have to be against gay marriage, 2/3 of this country is against it.

Don't forget "takin' away our shootin' irons and edumacatin' our wimmin folk."

Damn K.K you beat me to it.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/10/03/leaked_from_palins_debate_prep.html

Hey, I saw that flow chart on Palin's podium just before the debate got under way!

I thought Palin did better than I expected. But that could be because my expectations were lowered by the interviews she did with Gibson and Kouric, lowering the bar and then doing much better. Most of that better performance came in the form of regurgitating talking points that she's obviously been coached on, since she didn't seem to know anything whatever about the same subjects two weeks ago. And she resumed speaking from her prepared remarks each time Ifil's question was about a topic that Palin knew little or nothing or hadn't been coached about. I'm glad she didn't fall on her ass and get creamed the way Todd predicted she would. That would have been really too painful to watch, and it wouldn't have done the election campaign any good, although it would probably be entertaining for the juveniles and juvenile at heart.

I was impressed that Biden, along with numerous talking points, actually responded substantively to the questions. Of course he has the actual experience to address those topics from his personal experience and could have just answered extemporaniously. But since the talking points are key campaign elements, I suppose it wouldn't have been good campaign strategy to omit them.

I understand why Biden treated the gay marriage issue the way he did, but I'm disappointed. I wish politicians could just have the guts to say that marriage is none of the government's business, and people can marry whomever they wish. Now that would be a genuine "less government, conservative" policy I don't expect to see. The only interest the government has in marriage or civil unions is knowing who will be financially responsible for any children that result and in regards to the income tax (married filing jointly or separately) structure, which may or may not actually have any logic attached to it. Really, gay marriage is just like Roe v. Wade - the government should not intrude into people's private lives, but the RWWJs for some reason like BIG government when it comes to issues like that.

Oh yeah, I was commenting on the debate . . . Overall I was favorably impressed with Biden's answers and feel more positive about voting for Obama, which I was going to do anyway.

Sg