Canadian wolves need to be managed in Canada. We just don't need em.
One look at whats happened in Idaho in such a short time tells me by the time we find out its the wrong choice its going to be to late. If I am wrong we can always get a bunch from Idaho when thry run out of prey for them there or figure out how to properly manage them cause they don't have a clue now.

Well on second thought it will be nice for all the granola eatin, yougurt swillin, woolysock and berkanstock hikin, hemp shirt wearin, insense burning, roastin tofu around a fake campfire, trust fund, bushel of pit hair sportin, livin in a 1/2 milion dollar condo downtown while they devote there life to working on projects for the good of nature and bringing the world back in to a harmonious balance skanks to hear a wolf while on there three day trips into the woods.

Fuk the sissy ranchers for complaining about giving just a little back to nature.

When they start selling 15 % of the big game hunting licences they do now fishing will take a hit too. Ever notice when they talk about the value of license sells they lump fishing and hunting together. What the game department needs now is another very expensive problem. Kill em all now and worry about this when we know it is a good idea.

I think for rite now Montana and Idaho aren't so happy about their new warm and fuzzy problem and the cost of it.

life trap some and trun them loose to run free in down town seattle maybe a couple bears too

I sure hope they don't re-introduce them to the Mt. St. Helens area. The elk herds there are already challenged enough let alone the deer populations that are way down.

Keith

cougar pop is going through the roof and many say the Wolves are already in there. Draw tag only hunting for elk may not be to far away.
Unafected by wolf areas will be packed with displaced hunters.Thats Ok just think how neat it will be to hear em.
What scares me is that 10 years ago they weren't even on the radar as a problem and they have allready gone to over the counter tags for them.

Deer populations way down?

How ya know they aren't there already?

It's the same dumfuk attitude that self-proclaimed "sportsmen" share for everything else.

Orcas, seals, sealions and eagles are eating "their salmon/steelhead/trout" so let's shoot every last one.

Wolves, cougars & coyotes are eating "their" deer, elk & moose, so it's "fvck 'em. kill 'em all."

Then we get knuckledragging morons that raise the stars & bars and start up with that chest pounding schit about "State's Raights" as soon as they find themselves confronted by legislation they can't wrap their itty-bitty brains around.

It's best to remind yourself that we're dealing with a group of people that don't posses the logic to see past their next mouthful of food. That's why they're dirt poor, living in leaking singlewide trailers in places like Glenoma and have to forage like stray dogs, hand to mouth, on a day-to-day basis.

Usually they post on Gaym-poachin', but sometimes they trickle over and end up here.

St. Helen's elk are in trouble. There is too many for the habitat. Wolves would help put the herd in balance with the range.

A lot of range managers believe that Yellowstone was being overgrazed/ovebrowsed by elk pre-wolves. They are seeing a real change in the range, with many other resources benefitting (fish, pronghorn).

As to the "lack" of elk availble to hunters in the GYE what I saw when there last year, and read, is that the elk have changed their behavior. Being out in the open all day is not a good idea. They are in smaller herds, in the woods. This was where and how we saw them.

It means that hunting them has become much harder. There are fewer, and they are hiding. It just takes more work to get them.

Just read a quote from High Country News. Quoting Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife-Alaska. "Maximum sustained yield for consumptive purposes" in reference to caribou and moose management.

As long as one is clear about one's goals; fine.

What a surprise.

Why in the Hell do you always have to take the extreme?
Whether we're talking gun control or any other topic, there is NEVER EVER moderation in any of your comments.
You are no different than the extreme right that you have such a burning hatred for.

If we as big game hunters or ranchers state that we want to control the population, you immediately twist the argument to ..."Kill all of them" and that is complete horseshitt.


I have always suggested that we manage wolves as a game species like mountain lions, a valuable species with worth to both humans and the ecosystem.
It would be tragic to lose either to extinction.

Factor us human consumers, the natural predators, and ALL wildlife, the generated revenue gained by a controlled hunt and make a livable plan for all.
Unless you remove humans and are happy with population crashes of both predator and prey, you cannot make any one species a holy grail, be it elk or wolves.
Manage the entire ecosystem with a reasonable sustainable program and keep the national parks an untouched ecosystem.
Calculate the reproductive rates of predator and prey and allow a harvestable surplus that doesn't endanger the entire population of either.


Irie, You are a model animal planet wildlife biologist, managing with emotion and not hard facts or science.
Exactly how California manages it's mountain lion population.

I am saying Kill em all in Washington for now. Not because I hate wolves but because I fear (fear not know)what will happen. Montana and Idaho seem to have a problem. The population of wolves has had no problem taking hold and growing. I suspect it would be no diffrent here except we have no where near the surplus of animals they once enjoyed. I may never hunt Elk again but It is something I would hate to loose for those who want to do it.
Lets face the facts we are here to stay and wildlife must be managed by us. It may very well be possible to sustain a wolf population and a havestable herd of deer and elk in this state. If Idaho and Montana are sucsessful then bring em on. It looks easy to get them established. Getting rid of them if they get out of hand may only cost us the money and enjoyment we get from what we now know as big game hunting in this state and a bunch of money we don't have. Maybe I am misinformed but it isnt even the same animal that was native to these areas. I guess when we run out of wild steelhead we can replace them with wild atlantic salmon. It would be sorta the same thing and we will feel good about seeing fish in the river again even if it means we cant fish for 5, 10 maybe 20 years while we wait for nature to balance out.
Hey I thought it would be cool to have turkeys around too. My brother has a house on a little piece of land not to far out of Spokane.
When he built it he was hoping to have turkeys on it some day.
A few years later he spotted the first one then a year before last he counted over a 120 he could see at one time from his kitchen. Turkey huntin isn't all that special when ya have to check your boots for turkey crap before ya go into the garage to take em off. Now he just hopes wolves like turkey more than his dogs.

Wolves must be part of our balanced enviroment. I would like to believe we progressed from the days when we thought that wolves were evil and bloodthirsty. They do what they do. They are beautiful animals and I, for one, am glad they are around. To me that is a sign of true wilderness. They belong here just like you and me. That ranchers are having problems with them? They need to learn how to cope with it. The world doesn't revolve around ranchers alone. They are other creatures here and they are all important.

Some of you people here sound like those numbnuts who wiped out all the buffalos back in the 19th century. For no reason at all. Then they did the same thing to the wolves. It's all about balance. We, the main predators on this planet, must assure that the balance will always be here. The fanatical econazis are just as bad as ranchers who would shoot everything that resembles wolf. This beautiful planet belongs to all of us. Even if I will not see a single wolf in my life time (but I did) it does my heart good to know that they are out there howling their beautiful songs at night.

ha ha
Google econazi and start reading. funny

The wolves we need for our balanced envioment are gone. Bummer they would have been cool to have around.

I do believe some of the wolves Idaho is dealing with are evil and Bloodthirsty.
They are beautiful animals and I would prefer to drive a lot further to see them in their natural habitat.

Neither they or we belong here. We are both invasive species and are not good for the environment.
If the Ranchers are having a problem with them I assure you they will cope with it.

then just.......... wow ...............................................I guess

Intresting article.

http://www.capitalpress.com/content/cs-wolf-meeting-022511

Wolves must be managed!

Trust me......the ranchers are "dealing with it" and it's working.
I now return you to your apartment Mr. Kid.

Those that do the least tend to bitch the most.

woof control made fun..er!

Damn Stam that was cool

Awesome video!

Off the charts awesome. Thanks for sharing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, those are some BADASS birds ! ! .. . . . I wonder how often the wolf gets the upper hand? . . . in at least one instance the Eagle had backup. .. another F'n eagle !!

Very Cool.. .


EDIT: Oh Yeah. .. .. WANT ! !

That was my favorite part of the clip, just when the woof thought he was big and bad, in swoops the back-up bird!

Loved the music too.