No kidding, who let them sit at the adult table?


Fishy

Indeed.

Fish on...

Todd

TFF.

You obviously didn't read any of these bills. I mean, come on, really? The Jobs and Energy Permitting Act of 2011 (H.R. 2021) = To amend the Clean Air Act regarding air pollution from Outer Continental Shelf activities. That's a jobs bill? Bitch, please. That's some serious spin, right there.

You also need to brush up on how bills are passed through Congress. Several of those bills are actually on the calendar awaiting debate, the others are either in committee or haven't even been referred yet.

So the republicans still haven't produced a serious jobs bill in the House.

For Republicans, de-regulation of industries that pollute the hell out of schit *is* a jobs bill...they'll ramp up the pollution causing activities, and they'll need people there to do it.

Fish on...

Todd

Senate Dems Block House-Passed Bills That Would Protect Hundreds of Thousands of American Jobs, Help Private Sector Create Thousands More
Posted by Katie Boyd on October 18, 2011

As part of the Plan for America’s Job Creators, the House has passed more than a dozen bills to protect American jobs from the threat of excessive government regulations and pave the way for the private sector to put hundreds of thousands of Americans back to work. Senate Democrats have blocked the majority of these bills – despite the fact that the unemployment rate has been stuck above eight percent for 32 months. Here’s a look at the impact some of these House-passed bills could have on jobs and the economy if Senate Democrats would allow them to come to a vote:

Protect American Jobs from the Threat of New, Onerous Regulations:

1.4 Million Jobs: In April, the House passed the Energy Tax Prevention Act (H.R. 910) to prevent the Administration from imposing a backdoor national energy tax that will drive up gasoline prices and put as many as 1.4 million American jobs at risk, according to the House Energy & Commerce Committee.

“At Least 100,000 to 200,000 Jobs”: The House passed a resolution (H.J.Res. 37) prohibiting the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) from pursuing a government takeover of the Internet that a New York Law School Advanced Communications Law & Policy Institute study says would have “devastating impacts,” costing the U.S. economy “at least 100,000 to 200,000 jobs per year over the next five years.”

1,000 South Carolina Jobs: The Protecting Jobs From Government Interference Act (H.R. 2587), passed by the House last month, will help rein in unaccountable National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) bureaucrats that are attempting to stop Boeing from creating what the company says would be 1,000 new jobs in South Carolina. The bill will not only protect jobs in South Carolina, but will also prevent the NLRB from dictating where companies can or cannot create jobs in the United States - a policy that would have a “chilling effect on job creation.”

More Than 15,000 Jobs: In a letter to the White House last month, Reps. Steve Chabot (R-OH) and Geoff Davis (R-KY) urged President Obama to support the Cement Sector Regulatory Relief Act (H.R 2681) to stop excessive regulations on the cement industry that the Energy & Commerce Committee says could force up to 20 percent of the nation’s plants to shut down. In the letter, Reps. Davis and Chabot cited a study conducted by experts at Southern Methodist University that found that: “[S]hould 10 percent of the domestic industry disappear, the direct, indirect and induced job losses would exceed 15,000. And this figure doesn’t include possible job losses in the huge construction sector that might occur in the face of higher concrete prices.”

224,000 Jobs: Last week, the House passed legislation (H.R. 2250) that would stop burdensome new regulations impacting thousands of job creators that use boilers – including hospitals, factories, and even colleges. These regulations would impose billions of dollars in new costs and put 224,000 jobs at risk, according to the Council of Industrial Boiler Owners.

“As Many As 316,000 Jobs”: The bipartisan, House-passed Coal Residuals Reuse and Management Act stops excessive regulations on energy producers and gives states the power to implement regulations for coal ash that balance the need to protect both jobs and the environment. According to the National Association of Manufacturers, the bill will protect “as many as 316,000 jobs.”

Remove Barriers to American Energy Production to Help Lower Gas Prices & Create Jobs:

250,000 New Jobs in the Short-Term, 1.2 Million New Jobs in the Long-Term: The House passed a series of American Energy Initiative bills (H.R. 1229, H.R. 1230, H.R. 1231) that will roll back the Obama Administration’s de facto moratorium on American energy production that has already cost the economy thousands of jobs. Louisiana State University professor Dr. Joseph Mason estimates that these bills could create 250,000 jobs in the short-term and 1.2 million jobs in the long-term.

54,000 New Jobs: The Jobs and Energy Permitting Act (H.R. 2021) will end permitting delays in Alaska and other areas to boost offshore energy production, help lower gas prices and create an estimated 54,000 jobs, according to a Northern Economics research study.

More Than 20,000 New Jobs: The North-American Made Energy Security Act requires the Obama Administration to make a determination by November on whether or not it will allow the Keystone XL pipeline expansion to move forward. According to the Energy & Commerce committee, “the pipeline expansion project is estimated to directly create 20,000 jobs for its construction and many thousands more related to the effort.”

Virtually every one of those is a pre-emptive "protection" of jobs that already exist...not the creation of any new jobs.

Plus...they're bullschit.

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Todd

Obama will just have any of the people who lost jobs due to regulatory burdens busy building roads and bridges...as long as they join the roads and bridges union.

His plan is bullschit and you know it. Or should.

Steve Jobs Biography Reveals He Told Obama, 'You're Headed For A One-Term Presidency'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/20/steve-jobs-biography-obama_n_1022786.html?1319148475

So the republican strategy is to simply throw the word 'jobs' into the purpose of every bill?

Brilliant.


Again, you obviously haven't read these bills, nor do you understand the process by which they are managed.

H.J.Res. 37 = The House and Senate dissapproves of how the FCC manages the open internet. That creates jobs how?

So the republican House has still not offered a serious jobs bill.

What is funny is GH thinks BO has offered a "serious" jobs bill. He has offered a bill to distract and place blame on anyone but himself for teh failure of his first three years in full knowledge that it will go no where and do nothing if it did. Always someone to blame. Just as he has done everyday since he took office.

If the dumba$$ reps could put up even a decent person to run for pres we could be through with this joke but since no one that ever runs for pres fits that bill we will have a down to the wire election.

We've heard the same economic crap from Republicans for the past 30 years. Never has worked, never will (unless, of course, you happen to be one of those that on the top of the economic ladder). Yet Republicans keep shoveling the same old crap at us, thinking I suppose that most of their fellow countrymen are as willfully ignorant and stupid as they are.

Albert Einstein defined insanity as, "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I'd say that definition also applies to stupidity, which consevatives have in full measure.

John Stuart Mill said it best: " Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."

Have I said that? Are you mistaken or lieing?

Doc pud is a repuglycan, so both.

You have heard the term "jobs created or saved" haven't you?

Economic Impact of HJR 37

Do a Google search of the reasons businesses haven't been hiring. I think you'll find there's a lot of uncertainty in their minds over how much the regulatory burden, of healthcare for example, will cost them and they're holding back on hiring until things are more clear. The Republicans are attempting to undo some of those regulations, so to them, their bills will alleviate some of that concern and businesses will hire more.

Obama just signed a trade agreement with three countries that 3/4 of the Democrats were opposed to...........

What's he thinking?

I'm not surprised you'd come up with that canard. It's the most absurd talking point the republicans keep trotting out.

Only one thing creates jobs: demand for a product. The simple fact is that businesses are not hiring because they don't have enough demand for their products. Let's assume the administration eliminates all regulations and business taxes. What incentive does a business have to hire if demand for the product has not gone up? It would be fiscally irresponsible to increase labor costs without increased product revenue.

McClatchey here.
"None of the business owners complained about regulation in their particular industries, and most seemed to welcome it. Some pointed to the lack of regulation in mortgage lending as a principal cause of the financial crisis that brought about the Great Recession of 2007-09 and its grim aftermath. "

WSJ here.
"The main reason U.S. companies are reluctant to step up hiring is scant demand, rather than uncertainty over government policies, according to a majority of economists in a new Wall Street Journal survey."

WSJ again.
"In the survey, conducted July 8-13 and released Monday, 53 economists-not all of whom answer every question-were asked the main reason employers aren't hiring more readily. Of the 51 who responded to the question, 31 cited lack of demand (65%) and 14 (27%) cited uncertainty about government policy."

And again.
"'The biggest problem is that their order books are thin,' said Macroeconomic Advisers chairman Joel Prakken. 'They need fat order books to add people. They need fat order books to buy machines.'"

Washington Post here.
"None of the executives interviewed linked a specific new government initiative with a specific decision to refrain from hiring."

And finally:

Somewhere along the line, don't you have to ask yourself, "Why is there no demand?"

Do you think it's because we are all fat and happy?.......or because most everyone is being more cautious and consciencious about how and where they are spending?

And then it follows that one would have to ask the question, "Why is that?" Perhaps fear of losing one's job? Perhaps being unsure of what the future will bring? There are numerous manufacturing companies who see little regulation, and others who face onerous regulations. You must be able to connect the dots in your WSJ quotes, no? Can you not see the connection between "...31 cited lack of demand (65%) and 14 (27%) cited uncertainty about government policy." ? If I'm a home-owner, for example, thinking about adding an addition (which would mean hiring carpenters, sheet-rockers, plumbers, electricians, and buying lumber, carpet, etc., do you think I'm more likely to do so if I know the regulatory processes would be simple and straight-forward, or complex, time consuming and expensive? Government IS in the way of progress....and it is getting worse, not better.

There's no demand because the great majority of consumers don't have any money to spend...and I agree, trotting out the "regulatory uncertainty is stopping hiring" is 100% total unadulterated bullschit talking point straight from FauxNews...it has no actual basis in truth, none whatsoever, and any business that is saying that is lying...they just want less regulation.

Fish on...

Todd