Not in the least, but if jumpin' to conclusions is your style... you might be olympic material.

Some people are fly-fishermen.... some are just fishermen.



it was a compliment.....except the gay part.

Some just get to sit closer to the flame than others.... deciding where the line is on who is doing it the right way.

Jesus Christ....again?

No one here is a fly only person. Sg and I fish steelhead on the fly but not all fishes. I don't understand why that is unacceptable or confusing to the point that there needs to be name calling and ridicule.

The original question that lead to the rehash of this stupid argument was why do people fish gear from fly rods? I have always been curious about that. It doesn't seem like the right tool for the job. That's what I have always thought at least.

This past week I fished with one of the regionally famous BC beaders. He swung and fished beads. I even rowed him while he fished beads from the boat. Essentially he was bobberdogging (as it's been explained to me)with less weight. His 12 foot or so rod seemed to be the roght tool to cast the thingamabobber and light weight. He likes to fish this way, so that's how he does it.

I like to swing flies, so that's how I fished. I did gain an appreciation for the teamwork aspect that is a part of fishing from a boat. Rowing a river is great fun and I even thought that I'd be willing to row a gear fisherman for the day. I could certainly learn something from the process.

I just wouldn't want to row Stam probably. He seems pretty judgemental .

Pitchers and catchers reporting,
cds

The ruffled ascot suits you well... glad you had a fun day with one of the top guns

No it really doesn't suit me at all. I wear Red Sox shirts exclusively when I fish. Seems like those ruffles whould just be another location for the line to get hung up on. I already have too many of those.

Fished for 3 days with my bead chucking friend. He did as well with those beads as I did with my marabou. I don't think he'd consider himself a top gun. Probably a fishing bum, but top gun would be a bit arrogent. He is a humble and super friendly dude.

Go Red Sox,
cds

Red Sox.................. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....................not really what anyone would want to see on a river . I mean after all, Boston sucks, bottom line here the town, the beans everything about it.

But a Red Sox logo on the ruffled ascot would be a nice fit for you Chuck

Just to throw a wrench in the works a bit...



Float and jig is very effective, and very easy, which is why you see so many beginners using it, and why you see virtually every guide who has fishermen good enough to pass on pulling plugs throwing things out there with boobers on them...

But...I suspect it rates higher on the "I'm better than you" scale solely because it is a LOT more like a particular style of "flyfishing" (purposely in quotes) than are the rest...

You will find far, far more proficient jig/boober fishermen than spoon or driftfishermen because it is far, far easier to do...

Fish on...

Todd

Just picture Salmo sitting on his dark brown lazy boy chair in his reading/cigar room. Handmade wall-to-wall bookshelves filled with books on fly fishing, flies, and golf line the room along with a lit fireplace. He's got a fine crystal tumbler in his hand filled with 25 year old Laphroig, neat. The other hand is holding a lit Partagas Series D cigar. He's in his fine reading afternoon attire, complete with ascot, and tweed jacket.

Insert your best elitist nasal voice now and read the following quote:

Partagas suck... get with the program Parker...


id sit there with a bottle of Mums and a Swisher Sweet...

Thanks for revisiting that bit Parker.

I am not sure what stung worse, the fact that he said it, or that the statement is accurate in more ways than one

I am more of a Monte Cristo #2 sorta guy. They go well with PBR.

That was of those "Pot........Kettle........Black" moments, wasn't it?

Now picture Paker sitting in the front of someone elses boat, while drinking their beer expounding on the merits of various oars and subtle differences between the amount of rocker on different boats and how they row through hells half mile at 900 cfs versus 1100, and doing so with a straight face in all seriousness while showing pics of his 30 pounder on his iphone, explaining how to flyfish to Harry Lemire and Bill McMillan.

That was my point.

KK,

Much of Boston is a hole as with all big cities. But Fenway is the most beautiful manmade place I have ever seen with the possible exception of Pam Anderson's chest circa 1993 or so.

I shouldn't even get into this silly internet debate with Stam et al. but I truly find the elitist tag frustrating so I get pulled in every time. I was told about elitist flyfishermen by my dad and his friends back East. I have found a few since then, but they are truly hard to find with regularity. Seems to me that a-holes are evenly distributed amongst the angling population regardless of method.

Go Red Sox,
cds

If you're a flyfisherman, and you are out looking for the "elitist" flyfisherman, and in spite of talking to several flyfishermen you still cannot find one...well...

You probably know the rest



Fish on...

Todd

That took a lot of word twisting TR.

I suppose I could be an elitist, if that's what your are hinting at. Last I saw you you didn't seem too willing to call me out on it. Of course, you may have had a hard time talking while you were drinking my beer.

Come to think of it, that isn't any sort of excuse. Nothing can keep you from talking .


Go red Sox,
cds

Most likely in the time you have semi-seriously fished with a fly your success (catch) ratio of time spent to fish captured, or even hooked exceeds the principle players in this conversation.

One important lesson I've learned through all this is that..your beer in aluminum cans is not safe in the bottom of a cooler on a several thousand mile road/river trip.

Parker.....you kill me sometimes. the fact that I read that hearing your voice impersonating Thurston Howell III while getting the salmo visual .....

The thing I love most about you guys who never to seldom fly fish in this, the fly forum, is that you are such dependable biters and join right in with such authority. A lot of what I have to read at work is so very dry, and this stuff is invariably a relief.

I thought I hung with some pretty high profile and highbrow fly fishermen and earned my steelheading degree while sitting around their campfires, but now I feel like maybe I was never an accepted member of the club cuz I never, ever have seen an ascot. Maybe they put 'em away and hid 'em every time they saw me wander in. And I never got to learn the secret handshake. Man that hurts a guy.

Toddster, better late than never,

The easy way out ranking isn't about how easy a method is to do, or else seat ballast while plug pulling and bobber and jig would have been at the top. The ranking is about relative effectiveness, year around under all conditions, yada, yada. That indicator and nymph and bobber and jig are similar are irrelevant on this scale. Ergo, you flunked the scale ranking. But thanks for playing.

Hey Paker,

Are you volunteering your chicken wings to come help build some bookshelves? I sure need more, ya' know, for the reading room. No cigars; mine is a strictly non-smoking house, no exceptions. Nothing golf related either. And no Lazy Boy. But I won't dismiss the concept.

As for the quote, if you don't get it, I think I understand, and you're not alone. A lot of guys don't care how they catch fish as long as they catch fish. Remember "she who cannot be named"? That's what she said; "fishing is about catching fish." As for your fly fishing expertise, KK appears to have summed it up nicely. Thank you for your contribution to a fly fishing thread. It wouldn't have been the same without you.

Stamley,

Not all, but some of the best steelhead fly guys I've known were superb bait slingers in their formative years, which kinda' hints toward a key thing about steelhead fishing that isn't a part of this thread. Not that Coley's success matters, but when you refer to his fly fishing, you mean swung flies, right? No split shot, no nymphs, no beads? Cuz we all know that ain't fly fishing if you recall that thread.

The best thing I can think of about beer in aluminum cans is that it allows the undiscriminating to get drunk cheaply. The second best thing about it is that it'll do in a pinch, like a rafting float trip where having a lot of glass around is a liability. I resort to Budweiser on such occasions, but it makes me feel like I do when I pinch a split shot on my leader. Are we still at Level 5?

Sg

Meter busted through the glass on the first page.

I can only hope that a lot of what has been said is tongue-and-cheek and that those cracking the jokes know they are doing it. Grade A stuff, for sure.

Those guys should have known that a Sage thown in a fire supplies virtual ascots for all in attendance. They really could have saved some money.

AP,

I'll be sure and tell them, and after I explain what it means, at least within the narrow context of this forum, I already know they'll be unimpressed and not give a sh!t. People who toss Sage rods in a campfire are too far beyond giving a sh!t what anyone else thinks.

I don't know who knows what's t.i.c. or not, and that's part of the fun.

Sg

Tongue in crack? Sorry that was T.I.C.