DF,

That's true, but the information establishes Zimmerman as a pursuer. Being in pursuit of another does not fit with "stand your ground" or conventional arguments of self defense.

Sg

I've heard nothing that is definitive evidence of him being innocent or guilty...just a lot of stuff so far.

That's why you have a trial.

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Todd

innocent or not, hes still lost... and best believe if he is found innocent, sh!t will hit the fan all across the country.... if you thought the King riots were bad, just wait... it has the potential to turn every metropolitian city in the entire US into LA... bad bad situation...

This will turn ugly as the DA seems to have over charged on the case. For murder 2 you need "a depraved mind" and have proof of malace. Tough to see that here with what has been put forward. Man1/2 maybe but this will start riots now even if he gets a lesser plea. Setting the bar to high for anyone to be happy. Hope we do not have another DA looking to be the next govern/congress person and end up lighting the inner cities across the country on fire.

Nobody is EVER found innocent.

EVER.

They either find you guilty, or not. Nobody has ever been found innocent in a court of law.

Maybe not in a court but when I was younger I found a few girls who were innocent.

I think they were just telling you that.

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Todd

Don't you mean you found them delightful?

point taken Dan... and dead on as well...

Psssst. In case you didn't know, the entire Trayvon/Zimmerman show
is a media circus. The media set out to create a black/white hate
show and every one seems to be buying tickets. Even the Prosecutor
that created the indictment couldn't resist the potential 'get on the map' opportunity.
Two lives totally phucked up for the sake of a bit of hubris.
But the media makes out.

You mean delightful ... or just innocent (grin)

I'm pretty sure the two lives were totally phucked up long before the media got involved...and blaming stuff on the media is even too base for you, Illy...leave that to Hannity, Bachmann, Pallin, and Limbaugh.

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Todd

When a defendant appears in court, there is supposed to be a presumption of innocence, or innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If there is still reasonable doubt at the conclusion of the trial, the defendant is acquitted.

Whether the defendant is 'not guilty' or 'innocent' of the charges is a matter of semantics. I'd have to go with not guilty myself.

If that head wound is the result of Trayvon beating on Zimmerman I would say Zimmerman shot at the last possible second. Sounds to me like he just wanted to have a few words with Trayvon and then Trayvon decided to show Zimmerman the curb and that's when things got out of control. Maybe Zimmerman did provoke it somehow and when he saw Trayvon was about to kill him with possibly even his own weapon it was kill or be killed. Trayvon is the one who looks like the Shady character in this situation. The race card was being played out before this incident even started, it wasn't a factor it was an excuse.

The race card was played first by Zimmerman when he told the dispatcher that Trayvon was a "suspicious black guy"...and then second when he told the dispatcher "those niggers always get away with it"...

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Todd

He never said any of those things. He told the dispatcher there was someone that looked suspicious; the dispatcher asked him for a description. What he said to the dispatcher is "these azzholes always get away".

I saw that the phrase "These #$)*@ always get away"...and someone implying that he said "nigger"...if he didn't, then I was incorrect.

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Todd

“This guy looks like he is up to no good or he’s on drugs or something… now he is coming towards me. He’s got his hand in his waistband. And he is Black male… something’s wrong with him. Yup, he is coming to check me out. He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what the deal is… these azzholes, they always get away.”

Got something in his hands: Skittles and iced tea. Deadly weapons for sure. Talk about presumption of guilt.

Martin may have been a dirtbag, but Zimmerman had no knowledge of that. The only thing Zimmerman could be sure of was that Martin was guilty of being black.

You've already tried this case and proven he's a racist. Read that link DF put up.