Where is the line drawn on self-defense? Young Trayvon was 5 inches taller than Zimmerman and probably more athletic. Maybe he had some fighting skills that some of his defenders don't have that he used to try and rip Zimmerman a new one. Ever think of that?

That was probably the Baptist church on Hamilton Square. Was it right by Japan Town? If so, that's it.

You are a riot Aboo Loo miss. Density doesn't even begin to
relate to you. I realize you can only generate a comment because
you hope to get a bit of attention, but keerist, get real.
In case you need to know, I suspect you are certifiably a micro-
cephalic.

is a microcephalic a dude that fVcks microwaves?

and Abu, just cuz you dont like it, dont mean that someone else wont.. kinda a dickish move on your part... both of ya

sorry, I didn't realize the term Micro Cephalic was obtuse. Perhaps
nipple noggin would have been more ap pro po.
Don't know about the menu A boob'. Last time I was in an old folks
home was the Vet's home in Orting. My uncle, a WW1 vet was there.
Pretty nice place to a juvenile's eyes.

Hank, I know you are being purposely dense, but I'll tell you one more time why he's a pussy, and this will be the last time.

He never would have chased down and confronted Trayvon, had he not been armed, because he's a pussy.

It's also hard to call it "self-defense" when you chase someone down and pick a fight.

I've known guys like that over the years...guys who start fights in bars and such, and when theyr'e about to get their asses kicked they tell the other guy they're going to call the cops...or, in Zimmerman's case, pull a gun.

Know what we called those guys?

Pussies.

Fish on...

Todd

Do you think the prosecution will be able to convince the jurors, beyond a reasonable doubt, Zimmerman chased Martin down and picked a fight? I don't. I think if she's able to get Zimmerman to plea down to a manslaughter charge, she'll feel pretty good about it. If not, he walks.

I'd be willing to bet on that.

I dunno...but that's what a trial is for, to hear the evidence and divine the facts, as best the jury can.

The "picked a fight" part is going to be in contention...the "chased him down" part is right there in the 9-1-1 call.

The confrontation may or may not have been about race (it's pretty clear to me that Zimmerman wouldn't have likely chased down you or me, Hank, had we been walking around with Skittles, he was clearly looking for black guys, since that's what the thieves he had seen had been), but he obviously had decided that Trayvon was a thief with no evidence whatsoever except that he was black and was walking down the street.

After deciding that he was a thief, he then confronted him, and there's no question about that.

There was a struggle, and an innocent kid was killed by Zimmerman with a gun. Also not in contention.

That looks a lot like manslaughter right there, no matter what happened between chasing him down and shooting him...and if there is any evidence that Zimmerman started the fight, then it sounds like murder.

Looking forward to hearing some facts.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. He won't have to plea to manslaughter, or walk...juries can find lesser included charges from murder, and manslaughter would be there.

Unfortunately, we'll never find out the "facts". We'll find out how the defense presents the case and we'll find out the prosecution side. Then we'll find out which of those "facts" the jury buys.

At this point, the "innocent kid" descriptor doesn't seem quite right.

I'm sure it doesn't...to you.

To the rest of the civilized world it is not suspicious to be walking down the street eating Skittles and drinking an iced tea, even if he is black.

Fish on...

Todd

Todd spinning......a non-event.
kid, troubled young man, Treyvon, any number of others are descriptive, but "innocent kid" just doesn't work if you want to be objective.

Maybe the question to ask is, "Todd, would you volunteer to take Zimmerman's job?"

I know I would be grateful if I was one of those neighbors, considering the frequency of break-ins, knowing that someone was watching out for my place and packed the heat to protect "us".

I can hear it now though, "911? Hi, this is Todd again. I'm calling from a friend's phone. Mine is broken. About a half hour ago, I was calling the cops when the suspicious guy I was calling about attacked me. I barely got away. Good thing I had my phone to throw at him. No, sorry, I don't know what he looked like. He was wearing a hoodie. Hurry!"

Well gosh Slabby - I sure hope a Zimmerman moves into your neighborhood to protect you! Great to be protected by a psycho - just remember to check in w/ him 1st before you invite guest over - especially if they look like people he doesn't like the looks of.

Oh & No Hank - this Church was on the otherside of Van Ness. Great Time - Great People! Probably have moved to a bigger place by now - that was along time ago.

First of all, you have seen my place....does it look or even seem like I would live in a gated community or anything similar? But you're welcome to come on by in the middle of the night and see whether or not my security is secure enough. If you can read and comply, you should be OK.....if you can't......well, I likely won't be very "neighborly".

I was just going off what you said. Remember the "kid" was a guest - but apparently someone neglected to report the guest to Zimmerman.

I've lived here 8 years now and have yet to witness a murder. I read about them, see the reporting on the news. But then again, I don't go to areas where they're likely to occur either.

I've told you already why I haven't called 9-1-1 for suspicious people in my neighborhood. I'll tell you again. There's zero, no crime where I live. No burglaries, no break-ins, no shots fired. The people I see walking are walking their dogs or heading up the street to catch the bus. Non-suspicious looking folks. In my 8 years here I have seen exactly 3 police cars on my street. One for the scaffolding that collapsed on the house across the street that injured a few painters. Another when some drunk kid lit a M-80 at 4 AM. The other was passing through.

That's not the case where Zimmerman lived. Lots of calls to the police over burglaries, break-ins and shots fired. Plenty of calls too for suspicious people.

SF is far from being a "dangerous" place.

If you want dangerous ... try sunnyside or yakima on a late friday night. Or phildephia.... or east chicago, maybe east LA

SF is from from being considered dangerous. Adventerous maybe ... dangerous, not hardly.

I'm fine with neighborhood watch groups, I'm fine with a neighborhood captain doing it...but if some shitferbrains accosted one of my kids who was walking down the street with Skittles, I'd go tell him to stuff his gun up his a$$ and pull the trigger, and if he did pull his gun out, he better be ready to shoot it or I'd stick it up his a$$ for him and pull the trigger.

What if it was your kid walking thru one of his friend's neighborhoods and some dude who lives there and was the "block captain" chased him down and pulled a gun on him? Blame it on your kid for getting shot?

Yeah, right...

Fish on...

Todd