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#768977 - 06/27/12 07:36 PM Stockton Cali declares bankrupcy ...
Chuck S. Offline
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Registered: 02/19/03
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How the hell does this happen? "WHO" is exactly the one bankrupt? The Citizens since they ultimately fund it or????


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#768998 - 06/27/12 08:27 PM Re: Stockton Cali declares bankrupcy ... [Re: Chuck S.]
Fast and Furious Offline
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A bunch more, will soon be applicants for BK.

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#769016 - 06/27/12 08:55 PM Re: Stockton Cali declares bankrupcy ... [Re: Chuck S.]
Hankster Offline
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Registered: 01/24/07
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Originally Posted By: Chuck S.
How the hell does this happen? "WHO" is exactly the one bankrupt? The Citizens since they ultimately fund it or????


LINKY

You can start with unions (and the legislators they bought) "negotiating" contracts for public service employees that gave lifetime medical benefits to workers and their spouses after only two months (that's right; I said two MONTHS) of employment. Retirement at 55 with a wage higher than the private sector; pension "spiking". Follow the path from there.

The citizens (the ones that fund them) are bankrupt due to still paying for them while living with reduced services. Shorter or no library hours; reduced police and fire protection; potholes that aren't filled; etc., etc.
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#769044 - 06/27/12 10:07 PM Re: Stockton Cali declares bankrupcy ... [Re: Hankster]
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Maybe CA won't be the golden state much longer.

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#769068 - 06/28/12 06:05 AM Re: Stockton Cali declares bankrupcy ... [Re: Salmo g.]
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Spending like there ain't no tomorrow is how it happens.

Sound familiar?

State and Feds are still doling out grants without even a consideration of where the money comes from. When is the insanity going to stop?

^plop^ (head retreating into the sand again)
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#769071 - 06/28/12 06:38 AM Re: Stockton Cali declares bankrupcy ... [Re: Hankster]
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Registered: 06/28/00
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Loc: Port Angeles
Originally Posted By: Hankster
You can start with unions....


did you read the article or did your knee start twitching immediately with the union stuff?

here's a quote from the article describing some of the major issues besides pensions.
"Stockton's financial health has been a victim of both the real estate collapse and mismanagement, say current city officials. Home values fell more than 50%, slashing property tax revenues. The city made ill-fated investments at the peak of the real estate boom in a new city hall that was never used and a sports stadium. Financial records were a mess. Parking fines were tallied daily by one police department employee and monthly by another department employee — then counted twice in the city budget, a $500,000-a-year error."

wall street's financial manipulation and theft of billions in the financial crisis continues to have far reaching effects on this country.... or we could blame the unions for the housing crisis and recession.

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#769193 - 06/28/12 04:11 PM Re: Stockton Cali declares bankrupcy ... [Re: topwater]
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Registered: 12/20/09
Posts: 1455
Loc: Spokane, wa
Socialism at work. 'sides they got the Brown Ah for govenor.
More taxes, more taxes, more taxes.

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#769259 - 06/28/12 07:05 PM Re: Stockton Cali declares bankrupcy ... [Re: Salmo g.]
Fast and Furious Offline
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Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 3164
Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Maybe CA won't be the golden state much longer.


I hope they split it in two.

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#769275 - 06/28/12 08:05 PM Re: Stockton Cali declares bankrupcy ... [Re: Fast and Furious]
Slab Happy Offline
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Loc: Discovery Bay, Wa.
It's the Golden Shower State.
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#769281 - 06/28/12 08:19 PM Re: Stockton Cali declares bankrupcy ... [Re: Slab Happy]
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Registered: 01/24/07
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Loc: City By The Bay
Originally Posted By: Slab Happy
It's the Golden Shower State.


And you know this...how?

smile
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#769284 - 06/28/12 08:28 PM Re: Stockton Cali declares bankrupcy ... [Re: Hankster]
Slab Happy Offline
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Registered: 01/11/03
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Loc: Discovery Bay, Wa.
Urine it.......you tell me. wink
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Todd: There is no liberal media bias...period. ( smile )

Dogfish: Take stupid chances, win stupid prizes.

FishRanger: "FVCK that, we need to spike the F'n ball, look into the cheap seats and say you're next M'F'r, you wanna play too ? !"


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#769354 - 06/29/12 08:20 AM Re: Stockton Cali declares bankrupcy ... [Re: Hankster]
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Registered: 11/01/06
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Loc: Silverdale Wa
Originally Posted By: Hankster
Originally Posted By: Slab Happy
It's the Golden Shower State.


And you know this...how?

smile



He check out your facebook page.



You just put it on a tee Hank. grin








Edited by docspud (06/29/12 08:22 AM)
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#769363 - 06/29/12 09:01 AM Re: Stockton Cali declares bankrupcy ... [Re: docspud]
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Registered: 01/24/07
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Loc: City By The Bay
If I had a Faceplant page he wouln't have seen anything of the sort.

I have no feelings on golden showers other than WTF?

The "W" in that could be either 'Why' or 'What'..take your pick.
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#769365 - 06/29/12 09:15 AM Re: Stockton Cali declares bankrupcy ... [Re: Hankster]
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rofl
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#769536 - 06/29/12 09:10 PM Re: Stockton Cali declares bankrupcy ... [Re: docspud]
Slab Happy Offline
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Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 9741
Loc: Discovery Bay, Wa.
I just figure you Californians been pissin' all over yourselves for quite a while now.
Tell me I'm wrong.

(BTW....plenty of gov't folks up here with full bladders as well.....we're not far behind you.)
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Dogfish: Take stupid chances, win stupid prizes.

FishRanger: "FVCK that, we need to spike the F'n ball, look into the cheap seats and say you're next M'F'r, you wanna play too ? !"


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#769550 - 06/29/12 09:39 PM Re: Stockton Cali declares bankrupcy ... [Re: Hankster]
Salmonella Offline
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Registered: 11/29/04
Posts: 1369
Originally Posted By: Hankster
Originally Posted By: Chuck S.
How the hell does this happen? "WHO" is exactly the one bankrupt? The Citizens since they ultimately fund it or????


LINKY

You can start with unions (and the legislators they bought) "negotiating" contracts for public service employees that gave lifetime medical benefits to workers and their spouses after only two months (that's right; I said two MONTHS) of employment. Retirement at 55 with a wage higher than the private sector; pension "spiking". Follow the path from there.

The citizens (the ones that fund them) are bankrupt due to still paying for them while living with reduced services. Shorter or no library hours; reduced police and fire protection; potholes that aren't filled; etc., etc.


True Dat.

Two of my brothers are cops, both make well over $100,000 per year when you figure O.T.
The pension spiking is big too.
If you only take half of your vacation time fore several years then roll it over and cash it out, it gets the numbers pumped up for that three year average in a hurry.
If they retire with 20 years in they get 65% of their three highest earning years combined.
If they retire with 30 years of service it jumps to 90%.
Same with firefighters.
It's a helluva gig.
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