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#775529 - 07/30/12 10:44 AM Re: La Craigas PP trip begins next Sunday. ***** [Re: 270ti]
Carcassman Offline
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Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 1687
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Stable or increasing catch is no measure of the "health" of a population. You need to know the size of the whole thing, all catch and a real number for escapement. Need to know the age and size structure, too.

Time and again the catch level would seem to be maintaining itself but the fish got smaller/younger.

If 50 years ago Vhinook were 30-40-50 pounds and now 30 pounder is a "toad" then you have problems brewing.

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#775535 - 07/30/12 11:00 AM Re: La Craigas PP trip begins next Sunday. [Re: Carcassman]
270ti Offline
Fry

Registered: 08/30/09
Posts: 22
Loc: Noyes Island
Originally Posted By: Carcassman
Stable or increasing catch is no measure of the "health" of a population. You need to know the size of the whole thing, all catch and a real number for escapement. Need to know the age and size structure, too.

Time and again the catch level would seem to be maintaining itself but the fish got smaller/younger.

If 50 years ago Vhinook were 30-40-50 pounds and now 30 pounder is a "toad" then you have problems brewing.


Good point. I just have my own personal observations from fishing these waters all year long, based on what's ending up in my fish box. Hard to ignore the "health" of all the bigger halibut we are seeing and releasing. Average sized keeper ending up in my box is growing too, and we usually don't dedicate more than 3 hours to halibut fishing a day. Usually done in an hour.

BTW, it takes a 50lb+ to make Toad status in my neck of the woods. Saw a 60lb-ish get netted next to me yesterday. That was a Toad. 30lb fish are very nice sized kings, not to take anything away from them either.

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#775642 - 07/30/12 08:30 PM Re: La Craigas PP trip begins next Sunday. [Re: stam]
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Registered: 03/13/00
Posts: 1677
Loc: Kelso Wa.
Originally Posted By: stam
Drunk loggers, commercial fishermen and disfunctional Jerry Springerites do add a bit to the charm of the place, I've done the lodge thing and it can be nice, but seeing the local wildlife in its native habitat has it's appeal...

Drs and laywers and over-inflated business types ain't that much fun to hang with..... college chicks are fun to look at... (and believe me I was looking at a few as we played bumper boats a few weeks back) but they generally aren't there looking for a stud to rattle their bones in the evenings, more power to you if you can pull it off, bonus points for pictures...


The Drs, lawyers and over-inflated business types have their bar, we have ours (and theirs), they don't come to ours.
As for the chicks, no longer playing the field since meeting and marrying my wife here, sure had alot of fun though in the years prior to meeting her, grin
Can't post pics from this computer, maybe when I get home.

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#775651 - 07/30/12 09:29 PM Re: La Craigas PP trip begins next Sunday. [Re: AkKings]
RowVsWade Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/08/06
Posts: 2573
Loc: Island Time
If we down south mf'rs increase our hatchery production, fishing will be great for years to come up north.

Clipped fish are not rare in SE.
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#776149 - 08/01/12 05:47 PM Re: La Craigas PP trip begins next Sunday. [Re: RowVsWade]
270ti Offline
Fry

Registered: 08/30/09
Posts: 22
Loc: Noyes Island
crazy good fishing right now. Kings, cohos, and hali.

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