#977342 - 06/02/17 03:28 PM
Re: Doug's Bar got screwed by DNR
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 11/26/03
Posts: 213
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This could be a scary precedent. Will their "Justifications" spread to other rivers/boat launch areas.
I know the Olympic National Park has concerns about people driving on Richwine Bar and there have been discussions about cutting off access within the Park. Their concern is oil, anti-feeze etc run off.
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#977428 - 06/06/17 08:15 AM
Re: Doug's Bar got screwed by DNR
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Spawner
Registered: 06/09/99
Posts: 855
Loc: Monroe WA
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Here's what I got back from DNR:
Gary,
DNR did recently communicate with Fred Zylstra about fishing/boating access at Douglas Bar on the Snohomish River.
Access and use is shaped by ownership. Mr. and Ms. Zylstra own the upland property abutting Douglas Bar. Douglas Bar, on the right bank and next to the Zylstra property, is state-owned aquatic land. The boundary between the state-owned aquatic land and the Zylstra property is the line of ordinary high water (Washington State Constitution, Article XVII). The line of ordinary high water means, for the purpose of asserting state ownership, the line of permanent upland vegetation along the shore (Washington Administrative Code 332-30-106(48)) Driving on the gravel bar is a violation of Washington Administrative Code 332-52-400(6). DNR is responsible for managing the public’s land and enforcing that rule (WAC).
On May 9, Mr. Zylstra and I talked by phone and I asked him to help end the driving the gravel bar. The Zylstras may continue to offer paid access across their property to the river, as least as far as DNR is concerned. However, vehicles using this access must not drive onto the gravel bar for boat launching or any other purpose. Established boat launches are available elsewhere in the Snohomish River basin, including less than 3 miles downstream at the new City of Snohomish launch. In DNR’s view, people are welcome and encouraged -- as long as they respect the Zylstras’ property rights in terms of upland access -- to continue to fish from the bar and hand-launch boats there.
In our call, Mr. Zylstra indicated his willingness to cooperate with DNR’s request while continuing to provide access across his property. We appreciate that.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Dennis Clark Assistant Division Manager Aquatic Resources Division, Orca-Straits District Washington State Department of Natural Resources (DNR) Phone 360-854-2805 Cell 360-708-7357
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#977429 - 06/06/17 08:28 AM
Re: Doug's Bar got screwed by DNR
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The Tide changed
Registered: 08/31/00
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Loc: Everett
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What a crock of [Bleeeeep!]!
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#977434 - 06/06/17 09:16 AM
Re: Doug's Bar got screwed by DNR
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 3020
Loc: University Place and Whidbey I...
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Is that in Senator Pearson's district?
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#977435 - 06/06/17 09:29 AM
Re: Doug's Bar got screwed by DNR
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Returning Adult
Registered: 06/23/04
Posts: 422
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Seems that DNR is awful selective about asserting the high water mark ownership issue. How many thousands of places in Washington (claims, oysters, Taylor Shellfish, etc.) does DNR not assert the state's ownership? Am I missing something?
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#977436 - 06/06/17 09:34 AM
Re: Doug's Bar got screwed by DNR
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 28170
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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I think the point of that letter is not to say that the State is closing accss because they own it, but is closing it it because they can, and didn't give the reason why.
Fish on...
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#978136 - 07/01/17 10:50 AM
Re: Doug's Bar got screwed by DNR
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Egg
Registered: 03/10/10
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For those interested in reversing this decision, please call or email Hilary Franz, the commissioner or Public Lands. I have also spoken to Kirk Pearson's office and put them in contact with the Zylstras.
Many people use this access including many retired people who do not have the option of walking long distances. This could also set a precedent of removing other access points on our rivers.
Please share with others. thank you
Commissioner of Public Lands Hilary Franz MS 47001 Olympia WA 98504-7001
360-902-1001
cpl@dnr.wa.gov
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#978137 - 07/01/17 11:56 AM
Re: Doug's Bar got screwed by DNR
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 10/26/12
Posts: 1075
Loc: Graham, WA
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Interesting how on the Nisqually, the owners of the campground call the sherifs and have people removed from the river, because they "own it"! Yet, it is a good 75ft below any vegetation and thus high water mark!
Another case of selective enforcement!!
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