gentlemen, just (my opinion)you could kiss and tell all you want, but unless you put in the time in makes no differance, no matter what, the info is out, there depends on how hard you want to look, and even when you do find it have to know how to use it, was told once for lake washington silvers that tht magwart in fire stripe was knocking em dead went out got 4 went out the next day couldn't buy a bite guess thats why they call it fishing,