old man thanks that heads me in the right direction. hows the access? are they well marked or do i run the chance of getting shoot at. and what flys do you use? I really like dry flys and hav never really did the wet thing that much. what are the local patterns and what type of trout are we talking about. when I did this alot it was in the serrias and mostly for browns and bows. if you and to go some time give me a call