Well I went today to look at a few rods and really liked the GL3 loomis rod 9' 4wt I might have to save a little more :p . I looked at the same rod in a 5wt and thought it was to stout for the little fish I catch . I looke at some Orvis (sp) rods and they did not have the rod I wanted ,unless I had 375 dollars. I also looked at North X northwest. They did not offer a 9' 4wt Thanks for all the Helpful info....Ross