Hey John (Pilar), good take. Reading your envisioned scenario of PETA's following you to the river, it started me thinking that they can't affect the fishing like they can ruin a hunt. It's against the law to harass fish by throwing big rocks in water they occupy. Maybe they are dumb enough to think yelling real loud will stop the sturgeon bite for the killer Pilar boat out in the Columbia chapter of the Church of the Bent Rod? rolleyes Hey, I wonder if that crazy guy you 2 ran into on the Clackamas River while bankfishing for winter steelhead was a PETA disguised as a nearby landowner? eek Nah. Thanks John. - Steve